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Sorry for not posting for so long: it's been a long week. Presumably that would be how God could be omniscient, or at least see clear plans for the future: He knows because of causality. His predictions are almost always very, very long term, and also seem to have Himself in the equation. So, without any other logical opposition, can it then be said that the explanation makes sense and thus it is not illogical to believe in a god that would be omniscient and omnipotent? Or, at the very least, omnipotent but smarter than us? The main reason I signed up here, is because Stefan seems logical, and since he owns the place, it seems like a good place to wrestle with ideas and show that, even if i cannot prove God exists, I can at least show that it is not illogical. At some point I'd like to discuss Occam's razor. I think it would require some mental gymnastics to make God the logical conclusion, but if I can at least get the belief in God equally likely as atheism (even in the face of Occam's Razor) maybe things can settle down a little bit. My job as a christian isn't to force convert everyone, but settle the road blocks. I believe that if I can get rid of this misconception that a belief of God is illogical, the rest will fall into place. And we can see what happens when people have an excuse to be nihilists, even if atheism has an answer, once you throw out religion it's easier to ignore that answer. EDIT: I do need to clarify, though, that as a Christian, I am obligated to the truth. So if I'm full of it, either i need to find a new solution to the problem or admit that my own religion collapsed on itself, then find a solution to the religion. I haven't seen any good reason outside of a few arguments, so far, that would suggest that the latter is a smart option. Stefan's argument in the original post is probably one of the best i've seen, but then it opens up to the floor being removed: why do we go straight for God before going for time?

I didn't say that evil could only refer to those atrocities, I merely asked why you left them out. Murder is on that list after all. If evil is synonymous with bad then there is no differentiation between the perpetrator of a genocide and some glutton eating too much cake. I wonder, whom does that serve? If your definition of evil is sin, then you are calling me evil. You're calling all philosophers evil, because any real philosopher following reason and evidence will reject the idea of a deity and that is a sin. If loving the truth, taking pride in achievements, and having fun are as evil as murder, theft, and rape.... well then now who's the real relativist?

Was listening to Will to Power on Youtube and the passage of the lion tamer came to mind.