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If you create a child, family court will still grant her child support. Even if you don't marry and don't have children there is still the protection of common law marriage. Marriage helps with joint ownership of homes, hospital visitation, joint custody of children, etc. Penn, from Penn & Teller, tried to get his attorney to create all the protections of marriage in legal contracts and the result was "not possible".

I am not even sure why I am posting this here. It's not really a subject that is popular, but I just need to get this off my back. For the past decade I have been vegan. For me it was partly for my health and also what I considered ethical reasons. I have always known vegans are going to be seen as weirdos and somewhat annoying by mainstream but I was always fine with that. I also accepted that my lifestyle would be rejected by my conservative friends. It wasn't easy to walk the walk for my beliefs, but I found a way to make peace with it. Also it didn't turn out to be quite as unpleasant an experience as I thought initially going in. Most of the time people were baffled by my eccentric diet. Some even laughed at me, but one way or another most outsiders were at the very least accepting. As long as I didn't push it on them they were fine. What I found surprising was, people around me including my conservative friends were kind to me, and even changed a few of their own habits only because they saw the benefits I was getting. I was glad for them not because they were fulfilling my ideal fantasy but because they were enjoying the same positive benefits. But then over the past few years, maybe the last five years, something changed. Veganism became really popular with the mainstream left. I was never a preachy vegan because I believe strongly in self expression rather than group conformity. But over the last 5 years as I can tell veganism has lost something essential. It's been hijacked, and has become associated with an entire dogma. I don't know if Veganism may not be accepted by everyone, and I was totally fine with that. Now I am seeing this diet being pushed as the Utopian diet. The bastards on the left have taken something. They have stolen what was a free enterprise, lone individuals had worked hard to build bridges only to have their efforts co-opted by Marxists. I can't tell you how frustrating that is. I am not sure how many people here would even understand where I am coming from but the closest analogy I can think of is like seeing the thing you cared most about stolen from you piece by piece. It's hard to explain how the message you believed in was exploited. I am not sure why I am even posting this. I guess I just didn't really know why I have become so put-off by veganism these days. So I have decided to walk away from the vegan movement entirely. I want nothing to do with their message anymore, because it's being used to serve evil. I will still continue the diet, but that's about it. And I say to everyone here. Eat what you want. I care about animals but I care more about your freedom. Because if other humans are enslaved as a result of helping animals than I am not being consistent with my beliefs. I hope I am making sense.

For society. Be selfish for a minute... there is more variety for YOUR dna.

You are aware that most people marry and never get divorced. The stat 50% of all marriages are because less than 20% have more than 4 divorces. A bunch have 1. Some 2. Etc. Dont worry about the stats. Find a community that is more successful (sorry, the atheist community probably not the best place to look) and commit for life, communicate, invest time before starting relationship...

You originally wrote an unsubstantiated response to the OP's question. When asked for evidence, you deflect with even more unsubstantiated responses and passive aggression defences, as shown below: The value gained from exposing the lack of evidence in your responses, is to show and remind others of a standard to empirical based philosophy - otherwise, things become subjective and unverifiable. Threads like this one appear as a growing result from a lack of logical arguments supported or backed by evidence. If the comments here turn into the kind found on YouTube or Facebook, the philosophical passion is drained from some members to engage in serious conversations - the wrapping of non-arguments in philosophical language is transparent to those who recognize sophistry. The appropriate response can only be to bring about the change that is missing - not more unsubstantiated thoughts. While there are other contributing factors like the ability to have better conversations outside of texting and the satisfied early FDR members for philosophy, it could be argued that the recent increase of political discussion has quickly attracted a different group of unlike minded people, however, this is in accordance with FDRs goals - to bring philosophy to the world. With the provided forum, open access to an extensive amount of knowledge, and new members, it is up to those who are willing to reason from first principles (in accordance with empirical evidence) to add their voice when they can, regardless if it's difficult. The alternative is relativism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qpXdEnaHCE

+ 1 Now a days, there is this huge promo for single moms, 'sloot gonna sloot,' diva antics, and of course, victimhood when SMV craters. A buddy and I were discussing our pasts, women getting pregnant or just messing up their life and the child's. I don't know a solution but, I think dating younger has been a strategy men have implored for as long as I recall. Women closer to my age have been on a sexual rampage, many have children, and have cratered their SMV. I am not rich. I am a regular guy who did not win the genetic lottery. If I had won the lottery both financially and genetically, I would likely have entirely different experiences. What I am trying to do is maximize the strengths and qualities I do have. I want to add value but, I am really turned off by the dating world and the egoic gynocentric filth that awaits most guys. A lot of men are getting cucked and its just normalized. Many men are raising some man's baby. They are allocating resources to win a woman's favor short term. I know a man who is engaged. His gf has an active tinder account. Its pretty messed up but, there are so many cucks now a days.

Most men in non-western societies have multiple women in their lives. It is impossible to find accurate numbers on this, but those of you living in the west may find that about 50% of men have extramarital relations. As for Eastern Asia, I would say the number is as high as 80%-90%. In countries like China, open marriages are unofficially the norm. To go further, in Africa or the Middle-East, it is an absolute mess. People there have sexual relations with their close family members as well as with others. This gives us that only about a fifth of the world population lives in a society where one woman is generally considered enough. ...But then you also have the mormons... So is your question then "Why do Western societies generally think one man and one woman is the ideal?"?