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I have to say that I loved stefan's approach on this debate... stefan was dealing with the idea of basic attitudes and beliefs held by certain people groups... and the impact that transplanting these groups will have on the movement of these ideas... while adam was basically saying he wants to burn down the system and adam was arguing that no group is superior... and what adam was doing was cherry picking... for points to support his ideas... adam is the guy who would shoot to defend himself in the wrong side of town at midnight... while stefan is the guy who would not end up there... because he is aware of his soroundings... will probably not end up there...

Same here. It was painful to listen to. I remember Milo saying "Atheism is so boring". Anarchism/libertarianism is every bit as boring to me at the moment.

Adam keeps stating that the problem is the "government" as if the the government is anything different than the people. No Adam, the problem is people; people who use the gun of the state to steal. I don't know why he doesn't get this. You stop importing thieves, you stop importing government!

Quite a debate! Geez guys, same team. Goal: stopping low IQ people flooding The West. Effective solutions: A: Full-on nationalist: build a tribal wall similar to Israël B: Nationalist-ish: just stop funding the migrants similar to Japan, Poland.. I prefer option B as it is: - less expensive - less chance of hampering trade & tourism - cannot be abused by socialists to turn The West into a prison - has been proven empirically to prevent terrorism close to option A That being said, option A is fine with me too... it has added symbolic value. Do what works!

Hi thinkers and alike, Slippery, lubricant immersed, wet fish in moist hands. Trying to get a grab... It always amazes me when people come to debates not having prepared properly while knowing that millions of (and billions, the Internet can't forget) people will watch it. UnbeLIevable. Up until today, I have NEVER skipped listening/watching(a third) ANY FDR video/audio before,... drumroll... ta-da! 1st for everything and it's especially memorable. Not sure if Adam would be happy to know the why's, but to the mighty FDR community I think it is good if I share. In brief, of course... ° (Adam!) There should be (universally preferable) NO TRY OF EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION in a philosophical debate. It's a waste of time, Stefan had to deflect it several times wasting precious face-time. Also, kinda comes off as being insecure... very insecure in fact (due to the multiple occasions)... don't do that! ° arguing semantics (Adam) over principles (Stefan) is a sign of weaseling out to me. Boooring. Amateur, especially knowing it's a high ball Stefan can't miss. And he didn't. Each and every time. ° going against arguments for the sake of demolishing them only makes sense if there's a superior one to be recommended instead with REASON & EVIDENCE (not magical thinking... er, no. Uhm... That's not what Adam did... scrap that 'think' part.... let's say better 'MAGIC' , just. According to his argumentation-fog-hot-air) ° I know he doesn't like (Adam) statistics but to even assume that his (how many times did he repeat the word 'subjective' anyway? Geez... ) anecdotes can measure up in a debate about economics, sociopolitical topic? ... flochinochinihilipilification my friend! ° "convicted fellon", All-right. No worries mate(could be solely bad luck, am unfamiliar with the story/facts) , however even if you can't (legally) own guns, have no skin in the game (no pay-e tax-e, no kids)... How am I to assume that when the 'push comes to shove' you'll walk the walk? ° I'm sorry if I sound too harsh but having thought that I understood what Liberitarians had meant, am I to assume that it includes mysticism now also? (or that Adam is in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM represents any Liberitarian values?) ° To Stefan Molyneux, Dear Sir: PLEASE GIVE A DEFINITION OF 'FRIEND' Barnsley P. s. {I honestly have my fingers crossed that many thousands of people (sorry, can't call them Liberitarians if they 'follow' this guy... Just can't...not even if red snow...cringe) will watch Stefan's presentations. I'll include them for their merit and clear-cutting properties here below as well. Once more.} Stefan Molyneux : ° The Truth About Immigration: What They Won't Tell You ° The Truth About America's Survival | Demographics ° The Truth About Illegal Immigrants ° The Truth About Immigration and Welfare ° IQ and Immigration aaaand (worth watching too) ° The Fall of Rome