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To play devil's advocate, at some point does pollution to the atmosphere become a violation of property rights in the same way that dumping sewage in someones drinking water would be a violation worthy of defensive force? And I respectfully reject your assertation that all life will apapt. If there are drastic fluctuations in CO2 and tempatures as the proponents purport many species will die. Certainly others will likely evolve, but that will likely be long after humans have wiped ourselves out. I personally think most if not all of the AGW claims are exagerrated, and I also think that it's made most of the people who claim to care about the "enviroment" to seem hokey and full of empty buzzwords just to seem compassionate.

I have the same experience. Growing up in the south everyone is very touchy feely. I've noticed I sometimes make people uncomfortable giving them a hug the first time we meet, I have to remember that not everyone grew up in that environment.

http://news.yale.edu/2014/06/11/brain-retains-signs-childhood-trauma-and-warning-substance-abusers Brain retains signs of childhood trauma — and a warning for substance abusers By Bill Hathaway June 11, 2014 Brains of people mistreated in childhood have less brain volume in areas of the hippocampal complex shaded in yellow. These areas of the brain associated with emotion and memory processing may also put substance abusers at greater risk of relapse, a new Yale study shows. People abused as children show reduced brain volume in regions governing emotion, learning, and memory, deficits that make them more vulnerable to relapse — and relapses of greater severity — if they become substance abusers, a new study by Yale School of Medicine researchers shows. The study, published online June 11 in the journal JAMA Psychiatry, identifies potential biological markers that can identify addicts at high risk of relapse. “We can begin to think about ways to address the underlying pathology in substance abuse and explore use of exercise and some medications to stimulate new growth and connections in brain cells in these specific brain regions to help restore trauma-related brain atrophy,” said Rajita Sinha, the Foundations Fund Professor of Psychiatry, director of the Yale Stress Center, and senior author of the study. The Yale team studied 175 patients being treated for substance abuse and healthy controls, and conducted a brain scan on the participants. Members of both groups included individuals who had reported being abused as children. Those who had been abused showed reduction in brain-cell volume in the hippocampal complex, areas of the brain involved in emotion and memory processing and in regulating learning. Substance abusers with lower brain volumes specifically in these trauma-affected areas showed greater severity of addiction relapse than those with higher volume in these regions and those with low trauma histories. “As childhood trauma is highly common in substance abuse, addressing these trauma-related structural brain changes can help us develop better treatment plans to promote successful recovery from addiction,” Sinha said. Other authors of the study include Nicholas T. Van Dam of New York University, and Kenneth Rando, Marc N. Potenza, and Keri Tuit of Yale. The work was funded by the National Institutes of Health.

It sounds to me by the "too much to type" comment that you did this over chat... I think you really need to be in person, especially at first to read and convey body language. The words always come out colder and harsher over txt.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11/04/242945454/childhood-maltreatment-can-leave-scars-in-the-brain

I don't claim to speak for Stef or any other person on this forum, nor claim to agree with its being "outlawed", but personally I find the freewill/determinism argument utterly pointless. Why spend time and effort arguing for or against something with no null hypothesis? There is nothing what-so-ever to be gained but for a perpetual circlejerk, and that is quite frankly all that the prior discussions inevitably devolved into.