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  1. I also wanted to say, because this is important, that I don't feel frustration. Frustration at what somebody did to me is to say say they did a bad thing on accident. My parents willed what happened to me and repeatedly even after numerous attempts to get them to stop inflicting harm on me. That's enraging.
  2. Demos, thank you for clarifying. You know usually before I write, it's when thoughts accumulate and come together after thinking about things for a long time. So, I've been mentally journaling this post for at least two weeks. It started with the "Truth about Maleificant" video and the memories of my mother that came to mind while watching it. The morning before writing this I rewatched it and felt an urge to write. Marlon- Right, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Good for you for the progress you've made, man. I wouldn't call it a perversion to want to look at beautiful women who dress in a way which emphasizes the beauty. Not that it's okay to stare, obviously, but the desire for me isn't disgusting and nothing to be ashamed of. I also don't see how your dad can say stop 'oggling' women when he makes videos of his family members legs. And thanks, Patrick. That's a powerful, accurate, and concise way of putting it. 

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  3. Hey, demos.  I'm feeling aggravated after reading your post. Did I not just list plenty of reasons to get angry? I feel strongly after discovering just how harmed I've been by having my mom talk to me the way she did as well as what's been spoon fed to me by society.And it's not just about me, I'm mad at all of the hypocritical bullying mothers and who treat their sons this way and for fathers who, like my own say, "well, that's you're mother. getting mad i like carrying a ball and chain". I mean if I was a black guy who just talked about how angry he was after having people yell "white power" at him for most of his life, after being told that being black was something to be ashamed of and after being adopted by a white family where people in that white family made fun of my lips and nose would it be that much of a mystery why I'd be angry?Would you then say, "i understand your frustration, but what's causing you to feel so angry?"I mean no disrespect and I could be missing something but what the heck, man?

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  4. One of the most exciting and startling areas of growth for me is coming from Stef's more recent material on Men's rights/Gender Issues. It truly has been an unplugging moment which rivals when I was first breaking free from the propaganda of religion and statism, with all the outrage, fear, exhilaration, and energy that come with being liberated.What makes this material more valuable to me is the fact that it isn't merely abstract, it helps me to see the abuse I've been subjected to closer to home more clearly, which helps me to get in touch with my outrage and thus strengthens my immune system. And it's often the case for me that when I look back at disturbing moments in my life, when I've been abused, I don't feel as angry as I should since I've been trained to not to. For example, my mom used to do things like drive me around in the car while she was running errands and complain about how awful my dad was and then conclude that, "that's just how men are." And this hate speech didn't end with my dad, if a man forgot to give her a receipt, it wasn't an honest mistake, it was yet again another example of male incompetence.My mother would also do quasi-incestuous things to me. She would often try to suggest clothes for me and urge me to grow sideburns because it would be "so handsome!" One day, I was wearing skinny jeans, they weren't like tights, but since I have genetically large calf muscles, they would be really emphasized by the pants. When I stood next to my mom, who was on the floor ironing something, she turned and said to me, "ooo, muscle!" and rubbed my leg. It was so gross, so sickening, humiliating and dehumanizing.What helps me go one step further is none other than UPB, which Stef utilizes in various thought exercises wherein he asks the audience to picture the male characters as females and vice versa in a film. Imagine if a man were to say "kill all women" hashtag, like recent feminists have. The degree to which I feel shocked after simply reversing genders like this is the degree to which I'm susceptible to propaganda. So, what I do now is imagine if I had a daughter, how fucked up it would be if I drove her around in the car and proclaimed how women are incompetant. Imagine if I had a daughter and I suggested she wear her makeup a certain way or style in a way that she would be more sexually attractive to me. Imagine if I had a daughter and I had the nerve to put my fucking hands on her body after she shaved and said, "ooo, smooth!"You know those scenes(I saw this in a 90's commercial once) where a young man is between two old aunts and they try to smooch his cheeks. Imagine your daughter in  between two 60 your old men doing the same things, how appalled at the indecency of that image you would be.I could make the list longer, but I think you get the point. I'm also feeling really angry while writing this. But, if you're a guy and you've been trained to empathize and to feel more sorry for women or girls than to yourself. Maybe applying this exercise and reversing genders in your own memory twill help to break you free from the propaganda and to get in touch with that healthy outrage. I hope it helps. I'm going to go sit with my anger now.As always, Take care. 

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  5. As anyone who has chosen the long arduous journey of self-knowledge will know, the first step towards self -actualization involves awareness. For example, in order to make the choice to heal themselves, one must be aware that they have a wound. But, while this might be the first step, it is by no means always easy. 

    Awareness requires conscious effort. One must have the courage to be willing to forgo the immediate comforts of empty-headedness, regardless of how unpleasant the facts are. Another obstacle is the process called normalization wherein a particular belief or behavior, no matter how shocking, over time because of it
    incessant exposure, is taken for granted. Richard Dawkins uses the phrase, "the anaesthetic of familiarity." which is " an anaesthetic of familiarity, a sedative of ordinariness which dulls the senses and hides the wonder of existence.". I  would tack on the words, 'and horror' after the word wonder. Not just for the sake of pessimism, but because it is true and necessary to see the horror if our goal is to free ourselves and the world. 


    I was able to counter the anaesthetic today while watching an old VHS tape on youtube that I really enjoyed when I was a child. [/font]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrRZ7aMZyfI




    As I watched this, I began to feel my heart open up. I began to feel the enthusiasm and excitement that was being expressed by these children. I admired and envied their wonderful capacity for self expression, for assertiveness, and for bluntness. I found myself thinking, 'if only adults were more like this, my god that would be fun!' I wanted to play with them. I wanted to act goofy and to sing with them. I was then overwhelmed with sadness and began to weep heavily after the realization that I couldn't go back and do these things. I then thought that what is even more sad is not the fact that I cannot go back, but the fact that I spent my childhood watching the fun rather than having the fun. 

    Everyday that I had spent staring at a television was an opportunity to sing, and laugh, and play with my parents or my sister that will be forever missed. 



    Another observation is that there were no monotone kids! Because I was never listened to as a child, I never got use to modulating the note of my voice, so I'm can sound quite monotone and not even hear it in myself.  Stef, thankfully, gently pointed this out to me. "I would really like to hear your voice come alive", he said. Thanks again for your feedback, Stef.  I would too. 


    Also, what shocked me was the reactions the children and others had when the elephant character would keep making mistakes. I have become so accustomed to be shamed or humiliated after making an error, that I've developed strong perfectionist standards, which require that I "get it right the first time!". But here, there was no shaming. When the elephant makes a mistake nobody says in a sharp tone, "I told you to be careful, you should have listened!" Everyone reacted with curiosity, compassion, and eagerness to help. And when whatever problem was solved everyone cheered. 

    And when the children explains to the elephant why what she did was a bad idea they bluntly say, "I understand your intention, but the way you fixed it was wrong." After knocking over a fence and telling the train what happened the train just says, "oh, and did you learn anything?"


    Anyways, the film was an incredible learning experience. I felt like my adult and child self were looking at one another simultaneously with the same amount of astonishment asking each other, "woah, you talk that negatively to yourself, how come?", "woah, you talk that compassionately to yourself, how come?"
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  6. rock, thank you for the compliment :). I'm glad you enjoyed it. Joao, thank you as well, your feedback is very much appreciated.I absolutely agree with you that the film is gorgeous. Just some fun trivia, this is the 2nd most expensive film of all time! The animators truly did a wonderful job. And the facial expression are hilarious! I found it particularly delightful to pause the film at particular moments just to enjoy the expressions. I too cried during the scene in the boat and I'm not sure why. The moment where the king cried was pretty heartbreaking too and unexpected, so once again props to whoever decided to show a man express sorrow. I  want to mention, just to be clear, I'm a novice at film analysis and I'm not even sure this would qualify as a strict review or analysis. This was more of, "hey, this is what popped into my head as I was watching this sequence of beautiful images and I wanted to share." I think that the first step towards healing is awareness and because it's so hard to see this stuff that it might be valuable to others.Also, I'm not quite sure what to say about the rest of the film. If you accept the premise which Stef and another reviewer on the boards uses to interpret fantasy that Magic is a metaphor for madness, then it could be said that the rest of the film is Rapunzel's  borderline fantasy to compensate for the pain of being abused, that she never left, and that the bad Gothel/ good Queen is her splitting psychologically. Because as you pointed out, there are some things that make no sense, such as the fantasy of going broken to sane. But, I'm not really sure.On the topic of using tears to manipulate, I think that is very interesting and I wanted to add to it. In Martha Stouts book, "The Sociopath Next Door" she says that the number one way to tell if someone is a sociopath or untrustworthy, is not a facial expression or something subtle in the way they look at you, it is repeatedly doing egregious things followed by an appeal to sympathy. I had the misfortune of working with a person who would skip work or come to work and provoke his boss into bullying me by telling him I was doing a bad job, although he was going in 2 hours late. This was immediately followed by him going home and saying "my mother is in the hospital!"While Gothel doesn't cry she does appeal to sympathy by saying things, literally right after she's screamed at Rapunzel, "oh, look now I'm the bad person." Crying is just another way to execute this tactic. During the song "mommy knows best", there's a moment when Gothel puts the back of her hand on her forehead, gets into the damsel pose and says, "say no more, you'll just upset me"During the extended version of this sequence, there is a deleted scene where she says "go ahead and leave me, I deserve it. let me die alone, be my guest. when it's too late, you'll see. just wait! mother knows best. "[media]

    [media]And that makes sense about the different psychological requirements of men and women. I think it's worth exploring that concept more in the future.Which text were you referring to by the way? I would certainly consider adding it.Again, thank you for you're response!
  7. Rachel, you're welcome and I wish you the best as you work through your history and heal. And once again, thank you for your feedback and sympathies. They mean a lot. Shem, I can relate to so muhc of what you're saying. The pattern you describe where the abuser just doesn't stop, but might cease fire giving you some time to recover and think that they've decided to leave you alone and then, when your guard is down they strike again. I felt like a battered house wife who was in denial of her husbands abuse at a job I just recently quit. It was a local grocery store company that has 4 stores. After months or receiving subtle passive aggression from the store manager, eventually I became enraged and transferred stores. It was only two weeks later that they transferred the manager who I was trying to get away from to the store I was at! To my regret, I thought to myself, "oh, maybe he'll leave me alone since I complained about him." He left me alone for 2 months and then went back to his usual bullying. Shortly after, I cut my losses and left. And please let me know what you think about Tangled!

  8. I really appreciate everyone's positive feedback, encouragement, and thanks. It really means a lot to me. Corpus, I usually feel fear, anxiety, frustration and quite often rage too. I often hesitate.  I have noticed that coming from a place of concern has had the most positive effects and that, while the fear has never been completely absent,  the more I do it the less scary it is. The additional resilience, self respect, and joy that I experience afterward usually leaves me thinking why did I ever hesitate? :) 

  9. today, i wanted to share a brief child abuse intervention at the mall.
     
    A child was crying heavily behind me and i heard the parent say repeatedly "stop crying"
     in a sharp aggresive tone of voice.
     
    I then slowed down and let her catch up with me. With the child still crying, while she was walking next to me and i asked her gently, "is everything okay?"

     Immediately her tone changed and she said lightheartedly, "oh she's just fussin over not getting something"
     I then asked, "have you tried simply asking why she's upset?"


    In response, she gave me a similar narrative except this time stuttering.  I've never had a parent not argue with me or attempt to put me in my place. So, when she seemed scared It surprised me.
     
     I then said the child although she wasn't look at me, still crying "hey it's okay to be upset"
     
    Then her mom got on her level , mimicked me, and said "hey it's okay", picked her up and hugged her and then she took her to the candy shop
     

    I then walked away and cried because i thought what had happened to the girl was really sad
  10. Just listened to the podcast- great info. I believe I heard Stef in a recent podcast practice the technique with a caller who had a breakthrough when he addressed the different sides of him like rage and vulnerability. Does anyone know the name of that one? I'm going to check out the other link when I have time. 

     

    It seems that we have somewhat similar backrounds, so I was creepin on all of your posts because it looks like you have done a lot of work. Hope you don't mind! Haha Thanks Joel.

    haha you're welcome, I don't mind at all. Please let me know what you think of any other posts and to share then with other who might find them valuable. :)

  11. That is really interesting information. I remember every time my mother used to take me shopping, she would only let me get clothes that were a certain material and color otherwise I would "ruin them". She also never let me finish any creative projects or experiments, they were always over ridden with shameful remarks on how I was doing everything completely wrong. I have a lot of examples of situations like that. She habitually insisted on doing everything for me. I was slightly aware of all of it but this post really helped shed some light on the subject for me. 

     

    Do you have any other resources for Infantilization? Also how did this knowledge help you to increase your self efficiency?

     

     

     

     

    I want to start off by saying that I am incredibly sorry about the abuse that was inflicted on you. You did not deserve that. 

     

    A quote by Hitler or Goebells comes to mind, which is "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

    In between the lines, in the subtext, there is a implicit criticism, a lie that is being told because it is not true, which is that you aren't smart enough or capable or have what it takes to do these simple tasks for yourself, but your mom does. Putting her in a position of superiority and you in a position of inferiority. To be shame bound is to by definition feel less than human and it makes perfect sense why this would create toxic shame within all who have been on the receiving end of this abuse. In these situations we are being treated as if we are less than human, as if we are inferior, and thus that is the message we are getting  sent to the unconscious repeatedly. And it damages our self esteem as surely as if we would have explicitly been told then. Whether she tells you with words or sends you a letter, you're still getting told you are inferior. And what is so crazy making about this form of emotional abuse is that it is so hard to see. It's like a subliminal message that affects a film viewer without her being consciously aware of it. 

     

    And to answer your question about how this information has helped raised my self efficacy, I'm not sure it has. What the information has done is to help provide clarity, so I can process things easier and do the work that will result in raised self efficacy. Imagine the outrage that would result from a company leaving an ingredient in their gummy vitamins that lowered children's self esteem, created problems with their abilities to socially interact with people and increased their likelihood of self mutilating? We would be appalled.  The story would get a decent amount of media coverage too. What if it was then discovered that the vitamin company did this deliberately, so that they could sell you a cure for the ills they created? Then it would turn into a horror story. However, this is the reality we had the misfortune of knowing and we deserve the same outrage and empathy towards ourselves that we would have for those children in the hypothetical news story.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Infantilization often comes in a bundle with parentification and adultification:

    http://healthyparent.com/Parentification%20Web%20Preview.pdf

     

    For me this was very devastating. Getting shoveled with adult problems, which I couldn't help, then making the ways I could help useless and pointless, because there was always something to brag about.

     

    Bait & switch but in a sadistic way to exhaust the child by filling his heart and mind with terrors he couldn't do anything and shouldn't even deal with, on any level, and making by their catastrophes his problems non-existent and unsolved. Wanna get some help with your homework? Better not because granny has a terminal cancer and we must plan what to wear at her funeral.

     

    "You wanna help? You must love this marital problem/problem at the work place/problem with dysfunctional people outside family - but no, you can't and shouldn't even wash dishes because you can't fucking do it in my way."

     

    It really gives a sense to the child, that he is nothing but a poison container, wasteland, and all that comes forth is for his own destruction if he doesn't submit to this role of being preyed upon. Self getting eaten by vultures and other birds you've not even seen but in books. For what I give, they take twice the amount and leave traits of poison where they were so I can't go back and make it better. Maze of mental torment and then I feel the guilt and shame, for not being able to undo the hurt or decrease it faster and more efficiently. 

     

    Again, Shem, I'm incredibly sorry. You're absolutely right in pointing out that this goes with other forms of emotional abuse and can also be a form of parentification at the same time because when we are being infantilazed, it is for the abusers needs. We are being exploited. But, it's under the disguise of "help and concern". In reality they just need to be needed.

     

     

    Here are some other sources on emotional abuse that I've found helpful. Someone it I wrote or posted on the boards

     

     

    https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/39739-film-review-tangled/

     

     

    https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/39741-great-read-characteristics-of-narcissistic-mothers/

     

     

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/contemplating-divorce/201107/when-parents-make-children-their-friend-or-spouse

     

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/04/emotional-incest-part-1-definitions.html

     

     

    http://eqi.org/invalid.htm

     

     

    Anyway, I hope that makes sense.

  12. Hi, Rachel! Thank you for the compliment. I'm glad the post was valuable to you.Parts work is a tool for self knowledge that operates on the premise that the personality is not a single monolith, but rather is composed of many sub-personalities. It is this complex ecosystem of sub-personalities, each of which has its own thoughts, beliefs, desires and values, that people are really referring to they are talking about their 'personality.'It sounds a bit freaky, but it's not like multiple personality disorder of anything. Have you ever experienced two opposing desires like you're staying up late  because you want to watch a film, but then there's a voice that comes in your head that says, "okay, it's time to go to bed, we've got work in the morning"That would be an example of two sub personalities. One part wants to stay up, while the other wants to get to sleep. In parts work, or Internal Family Systems Therapy, you would learn to approach these conflicting desires with compassion and curiosity by treating those parts of yourself as distinct personalities. So, if I feel shame and think I'm not good enough, I engage that thought as if they were a person right in front of me independent of my mind. And by empathizing and listening to that part of me, I am fundamentally re-parenting myself. I fully understand if you're skeptical. It's a pretty new Idea, but I think there is some great science behind it. I'll post a link to a really valuable resource where you can learn more in addition to my ramblings :)

     

     

    http://sfhelp.org/gwc/guide1.htm

     

     

    Stef talks about it too in this video. 

    Please let me know what you think! 
  13. Behold this man's pipes. In terms of sheer power and range, I've never heard a more impressive combination of the two. Many male vocalists can hit high notes, but their voice tends to get thinner and squeely. Especially if you aren't naturally a tenor. But, what makes this so impressive to me is that, this man is naturally a baritone. This song showcases a effortless 3 octave range. 

    And what adds to my amazement is his versitility. He's by no means a one trick pony. Here's him singing a bluesy almost gospel like style with a choir of his own recorded vocal parts. The part starts at 8:30

    And to cap it all off, here's some whitney houston/ dolly parton. This man has amazed me since i was 15. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgFAq9Q8l8U

  14. While I do accept the similarities shared between the 70's music and the videos I posted, after giving a few of the songs a listen I think the differences put it into a different category. 

    The best analogy I can come up with is that, yes rock has been around since the 70's and 90's rock has a lot in common with it. But the music was so different by that time that it earned a different category. 


    While it's true that john lennon was talking about his mother and father and that makes the song about the family, parents and dysfunction, it doesn't leave the same kind of shocking, overt, striking and disturbing impact as this

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    So, I guess I should have been more specific. It's not just the subject matter, it's the way the subject matter was expessed that changed. They cut out any mention of government and included images of a self mutilated arm. 


    saying "we are dead"

    is more distant and metaphorical than the overt

    "i've become so numb"

    When you listen to john lennon you get the sense that something in his family was not right and that he has suffered. 

    But not in the same way this does 

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    Interestingly, another rap metal band that came from the time even makes reference to the trend. 

    in the song click click boom


    "What the hell is wrong with me? 

    My mom and dad weren't perfect, 
    but still you don't hear no cryin ass bitchin from me, 

    like there seems to be on everybody's CD "





    In conclusion, by the time this theme got to the late ninties, because of its inclusion of more explicit language, striking imagry and louder sound, it had evolved into something entirely different. 

  15. I appreciate your feedback, Aaron. I have considered whether or not I'm mistaking a subsconscious attraction for an objective trend, which would mean I've gravitated towards these songs because I can relate to them and then ex post facto declaring "it's a theme." There are a few thoughts which come to mind. One of which is that I and many other kids were exposed to music via MTV, VH1, CMT, or BET in the form of music videos. These channels still had significant influence over what was considered mainstream. Mainstream and MTV were  pretty much synonymous. Eventually, digital cable allowed for numorous sister channels like MTV2, FUSE, VH1, classic ect. The internet was there, but prior to youtube, the internet was just another place to find the songs you were already introduced to through the TV. And  many of the songs mentioned I rarely heard on the radio Because these bands were on these channels, because they not only had songs about that subject matter, but were able to spend anywhere from 3000$ to 200k on music videos to show images of that subject matter, means that they were already in fact popular. I might have been attracted to them unconsciously, but the fact they they were on MTV and played incessantly before I discovered the songs, means that objectively, they were getting multiple views.  I cant be attracted to something I don't have exposure too. Prior to my existence, there might be a song or two on Twisted Sister's, Motley Crue's, or Duran Duran most popular albums released in the 80's, about dysfunctional families. I would be interested to see a collection of music videos like that from the years 83-87. Now that I think about it, Motley crew had videos like  "smoking in the boys room" and Twisted sister had 'We're not gonna take it. But, in my opinion, that's not quite like showing a girl getting beat by her father or a little girl crying into the camera. And, again, that's quite different from multiple bands within the time frame of 4 years all having songs and music videos which played incessantly that showed images of the above mentioned subject matter. That I think can at least be considered a trend in the music videos at that time. Or maybe it's not any more or less prevalent than any other decade, but part of me still thinks it was more concentrated songs around the late 90's/early 2000's. To add to your observation, in the year 1970 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q29YR5-t3gg

    , the year Mother came out, this was released. 
  16. I included videos that lean towards patriotism or anti-war, since they were both a reaction to the current events of that time, in my opinion. Notice how chronic future, incubus, and prodigy, the anti war films, are more subliminal and all use a surrealist paper cut out style(The the exception of BOOM and Where's the Love). Feel free to share more.Lot's of planes, bombs, dictators, ect. 

  17. The Kids Aren't Alright song is very especial to me. I used to love some of The Offsping's songs during my last years of high school but i never really paid attention to their lyrics. I bumped into the video by chance (or by the grace of YouTube's suggestions algorithm) a few weeks ago. After watching the video and reading the lyrics, I was so emotionally connected with it again.

     

     

    The Offspring has many cool lyrics that my unconscious has been drawn to. For example, from the song have you ever he says

     

    When the truth walks away

    Everybody stays

    'Cause the truth about the world is that crime does pay

    So if you walk away

    Who is gonna stay

    'Cause I'd like to think the world is a better place

    When the truth walks away

    Everybody stays

    'Cause the truth about the world is that crime does pay

    So if you walk away

    Who is gonna stay

    'Cause I'd like to make the world be a better place

    When the truth walks away

    Everybody stays

    'Cause the truth about the world is that crime does pay

    So if you walk away

    Who is gonna stay

    'Cause I'd like to think the world is a better place

    I'd like to leave the world as a better place

    I'd like to think the world

     

    This resonated with me at a time when I tried to forget about all that I learned here. I just got out of a bad break up, was being abused at home, I didn't think I had the strength to be a philosopher. So, I took Stef's podcasts off my ipod and listened to the offspring while at the gym. 

     

     

    These lyrics too resonated with me at that time. It is also a great song against the concept of collective guilt.

    From Were Not the Ones:

     

    Im not the one who made the world what it is today

    Im not the one who caused the problems started long ago

    But now I deal with all the consequence that troubles our times

    I carry on and never once have even questioned why

    Im innocent

    But the weight of the world is on my shoulders

    Im innocent

    But the battles started are far from over

    Were not the ones who leave the homeless in the streets at night

    Were not the ones whove kept minorities and women down

    Still we grow and then the problems they become our own

    We carry on without even realizing why

    Were innocent

    But the weight of the world is on our shoulders

    Were innocent

    But the battles left us are far from over

    Were not the ones whose pollution blackened our skies

    And ruined our streams

    Were not the ones who made the nuclear bombs

    That threaten our lives

    Were not the ones who let the children starve in faraway lands

    Were not the ones who made the streets unsafe to walk at night

    And even if we try and not become so overwhelmed

    And if we make some contribution to the plight we see

    Still our descendants will inherit our mistakes of today

    Theyll suffer just the same as we and never wonder why

     

     

     

    And this is about the cycle of abuse. From Way Down the Line

     

    Nothing changes cause it's all the same

    The world you get's the one you give away

    It all just happens again

    Way down the line

    There is a chain that's never broken

    You know the story it's sad but true

    An angry man gets drunk and beats his kids

    The same old way his drunken father did

    What comes around well it goes around

    Nothing changes cause it's all the same

    The world you get's the one you give away

    It all just happens again

    Way down the line

     

    At 17 Shannon is pregnant

    As young as her mom when she had her

    Her kid is never gonna have a dad

    The same old way that Shannon never had

    What comes around well it goes around

    Nothing changes cause it's all the same

    The world you get's the one you give away

    It all just happens again

    Way down the line

    And all the things you learn when you're a kid

    You'll fuck up just like your parents did

    It all just happens again

    Way down the line

     

    And welfare moms have kids on welfare

    And fat parents they have fat kids too

    You know it's never gonna end

    The same old cycle's gonna start again

    What comes around well it goes around

     

    Why did these songs and movies occur at that time?

     

    I believe the timing is due to the fact that the left-wing Free Love counter-culture movement was just about 30 years old. These artists were part of Generation X -- the product of families where no-fault divorce was common (no fault divorce was legislated in 1969-70). Rampant middle-class drug abuse.

     

    Plus, the early 1970s was a period of extremely low birth rates, so that generation was put through a government school system in which districts were consolidated into fewer (but individually more populous) facilities. I went to an extremely small school, but there was one high school in my town that had 5,000 students.

     

    It's hard to explain how different a childhood in the 1970s was from one in the 1940s. The postwar freeway system had created suburbs, television had taken over as the dominant media, crime rates were many multiples higher. It was a different world.

     

    That's interesting. I'm curious to know why do you think that the topic of broken homes and such became so marketable?

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