Bert

I am not a Zeitgeist supporter, I just hate misinformation which this thread is full of. The only thing which seems to matter to the people here is whether or not I align with your views, rather the truth I try and seek.

I was with you up until this point. The problem comes from the miss-framing 'cost' efficiency courses in a monetary system. I think by efficiency we mean the use of resources which will result in the most output, but what is cheapest dollar wise is not always the cheapest resources wise. We waste massive amounts of fuel shipping around products because of relative poverty. We waste massive amounts of energy recycling because of the squeeze to produce products more cheaply, or from not making products with are upgradable/modular, because it reduces sales and cuts profits.

Jeez state your points clearly or not at all, you ramble like crazy. This is all I really needed to read, you take what I say out of context and so it's hard for me to trust any interpretation you make of other peoples statements too, and hence your whole rebuttal. The whole statement is just so asinine also, yes it sounds like TZM because I'm trying to explain to you an idea they talk about, and no i may as well not say magic, because there was a whole lead up to that statement. How? by magic?!

How is it an axiom that I own myself? Self is not even well defined, the closer you look at what self means the more meaningless it seems. There are 10 times more bacterial cells in my body than there are human cells, so a large proportion of the form I make isn't even made up of cells which carry my DNA. Lets ignore all that just say its the atoms in my body which is myself, but every year 98 percent of the atoms in my body will be replaced, so how can I say this collection of atoms is myself when it is constantly changing? It's likely that atoms inside me right now, were once apart of you, and vise versa, does that mean I own part of you and you me? Lets ignore for a minute that mind is created by the physical so we don't have to worry about all the implications and say my mind is self. What is it that shapes my mind if not the culture I was raised in, so my mind nothing but a reflection of the people I grew up around and so again not self. All the thoughts I can have I can only have because of the people who have come before me. I wouldn't even be able to write these words if it were not for them. So how can mind be self when it is so vastly defined by others?

I hate to be the one to defend TZM but there are serious fundamental misunderstanding/misinformaiton in this OP's arguements i feel i have to... TZM doesn't think a supercomputer will create 'infinite everything' or even produce anything, its a means of resouce distrobution. The idea is that if you take all the worlds resouces into account, declare them common heritage to all people, then the process of distrobution of these resouces becomes an objective process, which can handled by a computer model devopled by the experts of the age and processed on said supercomputer. Furthermore, I don't beleive TZM thinks you can remove scarcity all together , just that you can remove scarcity for the basic requirements for life, food, water, energy and housing. I too beleive this can be achived, but like you i reconize that as we can not remove scarcity all together, there will always be a need for some form of currency for people to exchange with for those fringe needs.