MartV
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Based on your post I'm inclined to believe you haven't put much thought into this idea.
I can say the same for you, it's like you are not even living on this planet. Of course people will do everything possible to avoid the corrective mechanisms of the free market and thus avoid their own physical collapse or deterioration. What living organism wouldn't?
The entire system of free market incentivizes predatory behavior, creating even more corpses when there are no regulations.
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So no safety net to neutralize the corrective mechanisms of the free market?
Btw, I'm very disappointed that you chose to use such an evasive, mindless and childsih phrase as "troll".
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Stefan often talks about corrective mechanisms that exist in the free market, but doesn't this flow of the free market frequently cause human collapse?
For example, he once mentioned the case of a polluting company, completely disregarding the fact that a company can just change its name or relocate, which is merely the most extreme example.
So basically, it's like shoving human corpses in the furnace of free market?
Where are the safety nets? Doesn't Stefan dismiss this as socialism/marxism/state violence?
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If child abuse is the issue, then it doesn't make any sense to me to be going after listeners of FDR. It's like a bad joke.
*sigh*, road to hell is paved with good intentions, surely you must be familiar with such concept..
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So you prefer state indoctrination to religious indoctrination. I prefer neither.
Who will create universal standards?
Who will enforce them?
Do the unborn really deserve the life their religiously deranged parents will enforce on them without the intervention of the state?
It seems like you all would soon rather see the end of modern civilization and massive intellectual and emotional abuse of children than to entertain the idea that state provides a vital function.
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How exactly would people eat without state-led restaurants?
Governments do not provide education, they inflict schooling. Breaking the will of the defenseless is a form of child abuse, which is a requisite for psychopathy, criminality, and dysfunction. Saying it's better than religion isn't the same as saying it's not as good as non-aggression.
Restaurants do not shape human reality and they do not exist in historical contexts. It will do you good to avoid constructing false analogies.
Furthermore, you are still not proposing any solution, stateless education would be no education at all.
It doesn't matter if something right now is bad if the absence of it would mean that it would be worse.
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Also, state colleges and universities had great impact at chipping away at religious superstition in USA.
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There is absolutely nothing stopping parents from teaching children mystical bullshit in or out of school.
You have a reading comprehension problem, we've already established that without the bullwark of state education children would only have one option, their ignorant and superstitious parents.
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government schools don't even teach critical thinking, logic or even how to construct an argument
and the literacy rate in the US is significantly lower than before mandatory education was instituted, when it was 96% for whites and 80% for blacks
Isn't that a direct result of right wing jesus-cultists who are trying to defund public education?
Teaching critical thinking and civics would be anathema to them.
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Statistics > Anecdotes.
According to census data, approximately 85% of people in the United States are religious. Public schools have had about 100 years to chip away at that. Hows it working?
I don't know, maybe that has something to do with churches being on every corner in every town?
Also, you are forgetting that we are not only dealing with religious superstition but with anti-knowledge attitudes it generates, so things would be much worse than they already are without the state education, which is a castle and religion besieges it constantly as the enemy of reason, without that castle what would happen?
Then it really would have become a third world country a long time ago.
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You don't know what you are talking about, public prayer led by school administrators is banned in public schools in which most children go to and ACLU constantly reminds rogue administrators to fall back in line with the constitution.
The church/state wall of separation is thin and full of holes but is still better than nothing.
When you talk to kids who have been home schooled they are basically scientifically illiterate, many who want to go to college recognize themselves how much damage their parents did to them and their life prospects, the whole home schooling movement is basically an excuse to indotrinate children with superstitious nonsense, exceptions are marginal and irrelevant.
Home schooling completely circumvents the whole point of education, and that is that children should get smarter and more knowledgeable than their parents, this is inimical to the core of religion.
Of course, if we were to restart the whole education thing today with modern technology nobody would even think of having children go to physical buildings to listen someone talk. Everything would be done online with much greater efficiency, much less time spent and much greater retention results, but that's a different story. It still means that you have to have standards for everyone.
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How exactly would a stateless society work without a state-led education, isn't that the highest universalization that a society can strive to?
Without it you are left with deranged superstitious parents indoctrinating their children with their pet nonsense.
Just in the hyper-superstitious US imagine the disastrous consequences, it would become a third world country within decades.
Just this alone brings the entire Stefan's philosophy down.
The elephant in the room
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The absence of state would automatically lead to theocratic fascism given the current disposition of populations.
So it's rational in that tiny way.