joel2342

Nah I don't feel like you owe my ideas your respect. The God defined by Christians, muslims and jews can't logically exist, but I do think that some sort of universal hierarchy/source is possible. I think agnostism is about bridging the concepts of infinity and the finite.

I agree 100%, but I'll try to make the case from my agnostic point of view.I like to hold ideas in my mind that are both possible in themseves, but contradictory in relation to each other. I know i know, Jung wouldn't recommend it, but it's how my mind works. Easy example, perception is local, reliable/ perception is non-local, fictional. So yes, in making this statement on this forum I'm accepting the realness of it. The word belief has always struck me the wrong way though, it feels more like a leaning to me. I hear what you're saying though, it's mastubatory to quote the matrix or Descartes conversationally because the conversation itself is based in certain logical assumptions. Abstract absolute doubt is useful as a thought excercise. It helps me to think with zero boundaries and no ego regarding any concept or problem I'm focusing on.

I see, well the only people I've heard make the comparison were agnostic. I was raised by pentecostals (which is odd because i'm from montreal, very secular). The christians that i've met seem to see their faith as obviously true and above logical consistency. Atheism is incomprehensible to them, like the biproduct of an an alien robotic species. They wouldn't make the "two sides of the same coin" argument.

I think what people mean to say when they make that statement, is that atheism represents the same over-indulgence in certainty that religion does.