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I'm not familiar with Eratosthenes experiment. Has it been duplicated? I have seen footage of boats that sit ON the horizon many miles out which goes against the claims that they should be disappearing beyond the horizon. There are also photographs of Chicago taken from Michigan, which according to the 8inch curvature of the earth, is impossible. They say that it is actually a mirage when you can see it...which would make it a 2000 foot + high mirage and the photo didn't appear to be a mirage. Also, how am I supposed to trust footage from NASA, the same people that gave us the most retarded scam in history called The Moon Landings. They have admitted that they don't have the technology to go to the moon even today i.e they haven't solved the lunar dust problem. In reference to satelites, maybe they are drones. I'm not sure what to think of that assertion. Here is one of the things that I think is LAUGHABLE....why are there not more PHOTOS of the earth. They give us COMPOSITE images that are created in photoshop. They give us the Apollo photo of the earth back from the 60's...appears to be a perfect sphere....and now Niel Degrasse Tyson says that the earth is actually pear shaped. I've seen a ridiculous photo of earth from a Japanese mission and a supposed "video" of the rotating earth back from 2008. But oddly, none of the clouds move as the earth rotates. Footage from amateur balloons sent up to around 100,000 feet shows that the horizons always rises to eye level. If you were on a ball, you would be leaving the ball as you ascended, thus you would have to look lower and lower to see the horizon as you left the ball. The redbull skydiver had a fish eye lens if you see that footage. I would think it would be of some importance to people to try and understand where it is they are actually living.

Is that a new field called Physical Relativism?

I don't think you are taking into account the actual differences in height. At 50 miles there would be a 33.33 feet difference in height, which they say isn't happening. ((50milesx8inches)/12inches)

It takes a real long time to be a civil engineer, an architect, and I am going to put my bets on the experts knowing what they are talking about.

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/05/architects-engineers-for-flat-earth.html These are some practical examples of how engineers and architects account for the curvature of the earth - 8 inches per mile.

Should the citizens and unborn citizens of the "United States of America" pay their national debt obligations...or would we call these people assholes that did not choose to comply with the debt repayment? I would like to hear some thoughts. Thanks.

I thought it was a lame attempt to try and 'relate' to the masses and not alienate himself too much from the mainstream. This propaganda to me is garbage and movies similar to it have been too infuriating to watch. I don't think it's fun to try and relate to psychopaths or try and image what it is like to be pure human waste in a uniform.

The Truth About the Race War was great. A lot of fascinating historical examples of conspiring to pit people against each other using race as fuel. Toward the end I was like, "...this is a great conspiracy." Has Stefan ever mentioned anything about his take on any other conspiracies specifically?

armstrongeconomics.com Taxes will rise as governments all around the world will scrape for every last penny. Death to empires comes from deflation, not inflation. It's time for people to walk away from government debt. They cannot and will not ever repay their debts. Your currency is dead. Don't waste it.

does ANYONE think it would EVER be moral to disassociate from a contract if the other part was exuberantly immoral????? WTF!!

No one has answered my question that is similar to this. Apparently it does not matter in nay effect who the creditor is. If the creditor defrauded me and is trying to kill me is not a. Matter of concern to many. Are you telling me that future generations have a legitimate debt to pay? ThAt much of the debt created by governments is real???? Is debt created by fraud and legit? I cant think of a more peaceful way to rid evil than to ignore it.

What if William Wallace played a game of Jumanji?

Yes! Starve the beast! Join the rebellion!

That's at least a reason to pay after the currency is inflated , inflation is worst for creditors. I think its a little insane that the currency we are forced to use is almost dead. The going concern of the currency is at risk. The corporations and governments have no expectation of "integrity" beyond shareholder value...why would I give more than that from my position as well. Not paying is merely a hedge in a way.

Great post, Lee! Is there ever a circumstance where you personally wouldn't fulfill a commitment based on your own integrity? There is no way to separate yourself from a voluntary agreement with integrity?

It's poetic! haha This is where the JTG quote was from: hold people accountable! - John Taylor Gatto - you are powerful [media[/media]

Liberty was the American dream, not money - John Taylor Gatto

I think it would be great if there was a world-wide tea party event for debt.

I would love to call in. I am in firm disagreement with Stef's comments from the first caller in the last show.

To stand up against immorality is demoralizing? A free society will not fllourish around compliance with evil, of evil of the past, and held bound to the old systems of exploitation and manipulation. I'll ask again, is it immoral to not pay your debts? If I am guilty of theft then I take that with pride and stride. If you have caught me stealing from the ideas that imprison people, that harm their health from decades of indoctrination, that consime their thoughts and actions and hinder a productive future that may lead to a free society, then yes, a theif I am. UPB or any other secular view on ethics says that it is alwasy immoral to not pay your debts? We can start there and work forward if you like. That is the starting point I'm interested in. I appreciate your posts.

Thank you, yagami!

I hope some of the light shed on this subject can help people deal with the stress and social anxiety associatedwith indebtedness. Thank you for your thoughtful response! A lot worth considering!

Stefan discussed in a call in show one time that it is not in immoral to not pay your debts. he used an analogy where in which a man borrows a chainsaw and refuses to give it backwhen it is disclosed by the owner he wished to use it for a crime. Does anyone have an argument using upb standards in relation to debts with governments, fiat currency, etc. Controlling the flow of our resources is something we can do today to effect change in the world.

I didn't think philosophy gave orders but it seems a lot of people on this site are telling me what I should do.

Thanks for commenting back I beleive refusing to pay the loan is UPB. It is UPB to refuse to comply with agreements that are made in bad faith, with fraud, and under circumstances where full knowledge of the agreement was not made. The money was 'created' using the monopoly of the state and by the use of fiat currency. THere was nothing to be stolen. The entire agreement and payments were completely arbitrary and fraudulent since a person cannot contract with concepts (govt and corp.) and there is no obligation to repay something that was never never given up (fiat currency, fractional reserve banking). How can a concepts like governments and corporations have more power than a real person that exists. I'm a king. I exist. They don't, and I will not live in servitude to exploitative language. What I'm doing is showing that loans created via fiat currency and fairytale ideas are not real, are arbitrary, are subject only to moral agents. It is on par with showing how taxes are immoral, they are illegitamate debts, are complusory, the intiations of force etc.