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Coming from someone who goes around threatening others with being child abuses. Your the one in the pink rabbit costume, not me. But don't ever look in the mirror, just keep judging everyone else.

Take the piss....yeah can really see this place is full of dowdy little economics students who don't expend too much time on any of the heavier sciences. We are not all blessed with your moronic wit. Coming from someone who thinks everything is a government conspiracy...it's all just lies, lies. How can anyone take you seriously. Sad your life is so dull you wasted it having a go at someone unnecessarily, and had the time to read and then type all that. Wish I could be that pathetic. Your in a league of your own there.

I think your right. It's so easy to listen to someone who seems to know what there talking about deduce everything into clinical terms of 'personhood'. Ok I will backtrack. I think all animals have emotions and emotional intelligence. Even ants. Just because we can't see it doesn't mean anything. I also think they have a better understanding of what they are doing than we give them credit for. I think they can be conscious and self aware, even ants. But these days the west is driven by science, science and more science we tend to dismiss anything that isn't on par with our intelligence as dumb. Sometimes science doesn't have all the answers and maybe this is one of those times. I'll always believe biological entities are coupled with emotions of some sort. Anyway you have given me lots to think about. I won't be responding again but hope you found some of my info helpful. Bye.

Your all so juvenile and immature why would anyone take you seriously. 'Fibber' I mean come on. After I demonstrate goodwill and understanding of your views I get 'Fibber'. I won't bother responding to any posts I have made on this forum. Just a waste of my time.

I am dead against male circumcision. Especially when it is forced on some of the most vulnerable men in society by influential people such as the Clintons, Gates Foundation and the WHO. My problem is MC is being pushed using stone age devices made merely for convenience of administration without proper surgical procedures being adhered to. It's also being done under the guise of phony science which is talking about the HIV virus as if it was a bacteria, and not a virus. “Of the 253 people who applied for circumcision, 230 had it done. Of the rest, 20 could not proceed because of previously existing penile inserts while the other three had their rings released early due to discomfort,” Papua KPAD secretary Constant Karma said in Jayapura on Monday. Karma, who was also among those having the circumcision done, said that the circumcisions were expected to help control the spread of HIV/AIDS. Circumcision, he said, prevented men from contracting many venereal diseases, which were considered a stepping stone in the spread of HIV/AIDS. “By lowering the amount of venereal disease, it is expected that the spread of HIV/AIDS will also be slowed,” Karma said. He added that the skin on the tip of the penis was where different germs causing venereal diseases might be nesting. Earlier, Karma, a former deputy governor of Papua, revealed that the total number of people infected with AIDS in the province had reached around 19,000 since the virus was first detected in Merauke in 1992. The device, consisting of an elastic ring that gets placed on a male’s genitals for seven days, has been considered practical and easy to use and can provide a non-surgical, medical means to carry out adult male circumcisions. The modern devices were brought into Papua and West Papua by CHAI and were first used in Indonesia and a number of African countries. The PrePex method is used for men of 15 years of age and older. Before being circumcised, the patients underwent counseling to avoid shock after having the rings attached to their genitals. Charles, one of the participants, said that he could still carry out daily functions after having the rings installed. Although, he said, he felt pain each morning. “The pain came when my penis was erect but it disappeared with the erection also,” said Charles, adding that during erection the rings exerted more pressure, thus causing pain. Charles also said that two days after the rings were attached, the skin on the tip of his penis began to blacken and on the third day it became septic and odorous. On the seventh day, he said, the skin had dried and was then cut off and the rings were released. Meanwhile, HIV/AIDS counselor Siti Soltief of the Dok II Jayapura Hospital said that after the rings were released, the men were not allowed to have sex within the following six weeks, to allow the cut skin to heal completely. “All the circumcision participants have been informed of this and they have all understood and agreed to abide by it,” Siti said. After Papua, voluntary circumcision using the PrePex device will also be conducted in Wamena, Jayawijaya, Paniai and Manokwari, in West Papua. In Jayawijaya, 220 are reported to have applied for the procedure, in Paniai 110 people and in Manokwari 220. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/07/07/230-papuans-circumcised-curb-hivaids.html#sthash.66f3mFjR.dpuf WHO approves these barbaric products http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/WHO-approves-new-male-circumcision-device/articleshow/47826443.cms If you don't already know here is the ugly truth behind circumcision: http://joseph4gi.blogspot.nl/2012/01/nytimes-plugs-prepex-consorts-with.html Meanwhile in the cocooned west we still see it all as a little joke.... Jeff Goldblum Played The Rabbi At James Franco's Bar Mitzvah On Saturday (17oct15) And Performed A Mock Circumcision On Him As Part Of The Coming-of-age Celebration. Seth served as the night's host, and told the audience the bar mitzvah wouldn't be complete unless James underwent a circumcision, which is typically performed by a rabbi on baby boys.James willingly lay down on a gurney to undergo the fake operation as Goldblum appeared onstage, dressed as a rabbi, ready to perform the cut. Zac Efron also made an appearance in a pre-recorded video, in which he played James' "foreskin" and joked about protecting the actor for a long time. He then requested to be buried in Bungalow 3 at Hollywood's famous Chateau Marmont, the room where comedian John Belushi was famously found dead following a drug overdose in 1982. Miley Cyrus served as the evening's entertainment, hitting the stage wearing a blue leotard and carrying a giant blue foam Star of David, as she performed her hit We Can't Stop and a cover of Rick James' Superfreak. http://www.contactmusic.com/james-franco/news/jeff-goldblum-performs-mock-circumcision-on-james-franco_4983128 If only they knew the truth about what was going on in Africa. As a result, they allege, their sons suffered “irreversible damage and permanent disfigurement” along with temporary pain and suffering, emotional trauma and shock, an invasion of privacy, loss of dignity and “a potential loss of sensation during sexual intercourse”. Eight applications are pending before the Durban High Court in which the parents are each seeking R500 000 in damages from Dr Shabeer Suleman, who runs the clinic in Umlazi. They say they have also laid criminal charges against him. But Suleman – with the support of the Society for Family Health (SFH), which manages the clinic –insists that the boys and their parents were treated properly and ethically as part of a programme encouraging circumcision to reduce the risk of HIV infection. Summonses against Suleman and what is described as the “New Start” clinic were served in March this year. http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/doctor-sued-over-illegal-circumcisions-1.1932214 he figures for this year represented "a great achievement", although more still needs to be done, said Brian Nachipo, advocacy officer for the Voluntary Medical Male Circumcision (VMMC) in the ministry of health. e was addressing journalists in Gweru at a workshop organised by Population Services International (PSI) and the health ministry. “The country is responding positively to the program with over 500,000 men circumcised since 2009,” said Nachipo. “Our target for 2015 is to circumcise 266,580 men and, as of January to August, we had circumcised a total of 127,790 men.” He added, “In terms of our cumulative total since inception in 2009, we have so far circumcised 540,473 men. “We are excited because we are nearing the halfway mark of our five year target. "However, we still have a long way to go but this is clear indication of positive response that we have in Zimbabwe.” Nachipo said there was also need to demystify myths and misconceptions around male circumcision to improve participation. Studies have indicated that circumcision reduces the risk of getting HIV by 60 per cent. Zimbabwe is targeting to circumcise 1.3 million men by 2017. http://www.newzimbabwe.com/news-25492-Health+min+127,000+men+circumcised/news.aspx People who hate religion in general, and Islam and Judaism in particular, often attack circumcision as a cruel, barbaric ritual lacking any positive outcome. Others attack it on secular humane grounds as a needless, cruel procedure. And some attack circumcision for hidden political reasons of anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. So it is good news that PACE-The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe reversed its earlier recommendation that European countries ban ritual circumcision, when on October 1. 2015 it passed (73-6) a resolution on religious freedom. PACE did not reversed its earlier recommendation due to recent scientific discoveries which explained the health benefit of circumcision; but due to the active political pressure of an alliance of Jewish and Muslim organizations. Jews and Muslims have always known that doing something that God wants Muslims and Jews to do must be good. But in the last few years scientists have discovered that a benefit of circumcision is that it provides heterosexual men with considerable protection against infection by HIV and other sexually transmitted viruses. Christian men in Africa are now being urged by doctors to become circumcised. A more recent discovery is that uncircumcised men harbor more bacteria around the head of the penis than do circumcised men, and the mix of microbial species is decidedly different in the two groups. These changes in microbial numbers and diversity may explain why circumcised men are less likely to get infected with HIV. The report, which appeared April 16, 2013 in mBio, finds that when the foreskin is removed from the head of the penis, resident microbes become exposed to oxygen and many bacteria flee the scene. The scientists suggest that high amounts of bacteria, and the presence of poorly understood anaerobic microbes in uncircumcised men, might contribute to inflammation, which would facilitate infection by HIV lodged in the foreskin. http://muslimvillage.com/2015/10/06/113727/council-europe-ends-effort-ban-ritual-circumcision%EF%BB%BF/

Food for thought: Feminism and Islam

*rolls eyes* I already expressed views stating I am amenable to your views. The least you can do is talk to me in a respectful manner and respect my difference of opinion. Gee everyone around here is starting to come across more and more like Islamists. Thanks for the lesson in tolerance. I guess if I was a Muslim I would get a pass.

Ugh I just came across this http://www.hebaamin.com/arabian-street-artists-bomb-homeland-why-we-hacked-an-award-winning-series/ http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkish-police-seize-islamic-state-coin-makers-1871252304 "...both of them are prophets of Islam and for that reason I will respect them both...." such a bigoted hypocrite trying to push his discrimination under the guise of understanding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=om-a-qoI5qU The west has gone to the dogs; I honestly don't give a damn about the future anymore or wasting my time on politics anymore. White people are the dumbest race- we could have had it all yet gave it away. We don't deserve to inherit the future. Why did my last post get two -ve votes? Seriously we can use FACTS & SCIENCE to discredit multiculturalism; it's not racist or discriminatory- it's reality. The FACT every non western country is homogeneous or that every minority run small business is homogeneous is proof of where the real racism and discrimination lies. Don't come crying to me when you wake up after realizing you no longer feel like your free. I am sick and tired of these immigrants sucking the life out of everything with every word they take. Yes I will tolerate intolerance because I am a better person than they could ever hope to be. At least I know I can be happy in life without having to judge others or gain my sense of self worth from looking down on others like they do with their snobby little insular communities. Bye.

Yes it is. It has had over 200 years of post slavery autonomous black rule. 'slavery and oppression' That didn't seem to affect the convicts of the first American colonies or the Australian colonies. Yes there were convicts in America. If anything Haiti is the perfect example with very similar histories to western colonies. It had the oppression of slavery which is the white equivalent of convicts. It had the oppression by a more powerful outsider France like America and Australia had with Briton. And it gained freedom from it's former master France like America and Australia did from the British. Or are you saying Haiti is an exception because it's old masters were of a different race? Come on. Get real. Tell my ancestors about having the option to volunteer to be sailed half way around the world as convicts to spend the rest of their lives in Australia if they thought conquering a country voluntarily had anything to do with anything.

Good point. Depends what your comparing the ants to. If your comparing the ants to humans you would say they had little emotional intelligence. If you compared ants to the emotional intelligence seen in artificial intelligence/ computers/ robots you would say ants have sophisticated emotional intelligence. I wonder what you would classify ants as on the emotional scale compared to other animals.

Interesting notion regarding what would happen if black Africans somehow took over what is today the US landmass and inherited it. I kind of can't help but think Haiti is already an example of a 'new world' country that comes as close as possible to such a scenario and gives a lot of insight into what would happen. But to be honest this argument is already over, when you look at the correlation between non-whites and failed states. The proof speaks for it'self. Even the non-white countries that are developed today, such as South Korea and Japan, are really only that way due to heavy white influence during their occupations by western powers. It also depends on what you define as success. If you think material things equate to success then you would say the west was successful. But our over emphasis on the economy at the determent to our citizens, who slave away in their work cubicles every day to go home and watch the idiot box on which we are told our ethnic and social identity as we know it is eroding in our lifetimes for the sake of big business via multiculturalism; leaving us with a feeling of all just being powerless individuals in our own society. Yet if you think non-material things equate to success then you would say the developing countries were a success with their ethnically homogeneous society that doesn't leave your life being defined by work and the dollar; and which leaves you feeling an empowered part of a meaningful community that embodies your racial history and accompanying cultural identity. What frustrates me about ethnic minorities whinging about their lot in life in the west. Unlike the people in the west, minorities have their parent cultures to go back to if they don't like it here.

Yes I agree. I think I am confusing people who just let their children roam free with no boundaries and just allowing them to do what they please with actually teaching them boundaries using reason. I agree a lot of parents who smack don't do it responsibly. But then I am sure there are just as many wo are responsible smackers. I honestly don't know what more I can say. Agree to disagree.

Find I have to agree with everything written here haha. Sadly I personally think the only animals that have 'emotional cognition' or 'personhood' are people. It seems all other life forms are pretty much just zombie 'robots' running on instincts consisting of pre-programmed behaviors. I thought for a moment other animals might have emotion but I doubt it. Even if they did they don't express it very well or seem to be influenced by it to any great degree. They have already dissected ants brains and determined they can be made to act aggressively by exposing them to a chemical. http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2015/07/01/4264629.htm Although they do display some pretty intelligent behavior- I am not sure they understand or have any concept of what they are actually doing. It's a sad realization when you come to realize all other life on earth is pretty much just a biological robot.

I would dispute that. Have you ever isolated an ant and observed it's behavior? It becomes panicked and clearly shows negative affects of being isolated from other ants. Whether or not this depressed behavior is the result of an innate emotional component I don't know....I like to hold onto the idea that biological intelligence is coupled with emotions of some sort although as you say this may probably not be the case for all biological intelligence. But it's a sobering thought to think sophisticated animals such as ants could be considered void of emotion. I have owned 'social robots' in the past and understand what void of emotion is. To me having no emotions implies you react to inputs without showing 'excitement', 'aggression', 'fear' things which to me all ants demonstrate and show they do experience something similar to what we would describe as emotions in my opinion. It would be interesting to study this and find out. When observing workers with their Queen, after watching them move the Queen to a new chamber, you notice the workers already in the chamber become visibly excited, whether this is emotion or not I don't know. But I like to think it is. Also notice these two Queens jostling for hierarchy within the colony. Would you say the aggression they were demonstrating towards one another was an emotion or not? If the definition of emotion is 'a strong feeling deriving from one's circumstances, mood, or relationships with others' then I would conclude the Queen ants reacting to one another like this show ants are not just running on auto pilot and there is something else innate there. Just my two cents.

How is assuming parents can't discern between a responsible smack and violence any different to feminists who subscribe to the notion that all men need to go to 'consent class' because they are all potential rapists; despite the majority of men knowing what is right and wrong when it comes to consent.