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Cheers. I finally found something on another show.

I know that Stefan did a video The Truth About the Native American Genocide but I was wondering if he'd done anything on the apparent plight of the Canadian Indians?

Uhuh. They went east to the Caucasus where they became Caucasian and then some of them went west.

You're not paying attention. The names evolved because they were what non-native speakers called the people. So, they would hear the name the people called themselves and "translate it" into their language often very approximately. Anyway, final word on this: Which is where I came in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Lost_Tribes

You're missing the point. This isn't a debate about the precise grammar and pronunciation of language and how it changes over time for native speakers. It is about how they are transmitted by non-speakers and so the transformations of sounds aren't going to be regular and follow laws as you seem to think. Nope. I meant to write diphthong because it was a joke.

Uhuh? Ok, I bow to your superior knowledge of Hebrew. However, if you pronounce Issac and Jizchak you still get a sound bearing an uncanny resemblance to sac depending on who is making it. Chak/sak? Who cares? Perhaps you're overanalysing things? Similar points are made elsewhere regarding the origins of other famous names from history. Names are mispronounced and evolve over time. Foreigners don't have precise grammatical understanding of Hebrew, etc. and so people become known by many different variations of the same name but are still recognisably based on the original. As I've already said, it seems to me that there is and will be solid science based on genetics to show what the truth of the matter is so splitting dipthongs is probably irrelevant. P.S. Your complaint regarding the Ephraimites seems somewhat of a stretch. It seems to me he could easily be saying that they had difficulty pronouncing Schin too. As I said, perhaps you're overanalysing things?

There are a lot of references to this sort of thing all over the web: http://www.hope-of-israel.org/saxonorigins.html You may consider it to be nonsense and I haven't followed up the references but it seems rather interesting to me that the genetics seem to point to some of this stuff being true assuming, of course, that the genetics are correct. It seems to me that this indicates that the silver bowls with the Star of David in the Sutton Hoo burial were ancient artifacts of the people and not some kind of imported bling.

So the person buried at Sutton Hoo considered himself an Anglo Saxon or was he aware of a more ancient history? Our modern understanding is obviously very far removed from his. Societies were regularly torn apart and reformed. People literally did forget who they were. The modern example is what happened in Britain during the industrial revolution: millions moved from their ancestral villages to the industrial towns losing their sense of themselves and their history. That's why there's such great interest in genetics and genealogy. People are trying to rediscover their own lost histories. From other reading, it seems to me that even the Israelites may well be some kind of invention and they were really descendents of other equally well-known cultures who reinvented themselves transforming their ancient religion and culture into something completely new. It could be less a case of forgetting who they were than reinventing who they were for a multiplicity of reasons. We've turned over the study of our history to historians and archaeologists but these disciplines clearly have their own agendas. Personally, I'd rather investigate my own history than take what I'm given as fact. Your mileage may vary.

Hey Guys, Sorry it's taken so long for me to look back in. Yeah, I'm sure they do. I think they should do the decent thing and pay back something. It's not as though they test for free. Thanks for that. Very interesting. I've been hoping to bump into someone with some knowledge of the field;). Funnily enough, I have just bought a test from FamilyTreeDNA for my paternal ancestry. My paternal haplogroup is apparently the same as the House of Bourbon so I thought I'd join the French ancestry group and get a discount. They told me just to get a 25 marker test (Y-DNA25). I've got the pack and am planning to scrape my cheeks in the next few days;). As I said, my overall ancestry is British/Irish at 95.3% but there's a few percent of French and Spanish and mongrel Western European too. I think there might be a little family secret on my father's side so I'm pretty intrigued at the prospect of finding out more there. At a later date I will probably do my maternal haplogroup too so thanks for the ancestry.com tip. I would like to do some more detailed analysis of my 23andMe data and started to look into it but gave up. I understand the basics of the paternal and maternal DNA analysis (I read Bryan Sykes' Blood of the Isles). I got a bit confused because the paternal haplogroup seems to have changed from R1b1b2a1a1* to R1b1a2a1a1*. I gather that this is marker R1b-U106 but I'm not really up to speed on the specifics. I initially thought my ancestry composition looked a bit boring but once I started to look into it the Ancient Israelite bit blew me away and suddenly it became rather interesting;). Archaeologists say it's an Anglo-Saxon boat. Is it? Even if it is, who were the Anglo-Saxons. Some say the derivation of Saxon is from Isaac's Sons so it seems to me that there's a strong possibility that they were just one of the other ten tribes. If you're looking for accepted history forget it. Those who control the history, control the people. From some other reading I've done I've seen evidence that some genuine British (Welsh actually) history was suppressed some time in the 18th century and has now been relegated to myth. I'm not an academic with a reputation riding on this stuff, I'm just a curious amateur going where the information takes me. Whether the evidence would satisfy an academic or not, I don't really care. I'm finding it all very intriguing. I'll post back when I know a bit more about my paternal DNA test. BTW, my maternal ancestry actually comes from a very small island of the coast of Ireland called Tory. It doesn't really get much more Irish than that;). I'd like to know how long my paternal ancestry has been in Scotland. I think there's possibly an English/Anglo Saxon connection there so we'll see.

Hi Jaegar, Thanks for your reply. Of course, there are many possibilities. I've considered the possibility of my ancestor leaving Jerusalem when the 2nd temple was destroyed and ending up in Spain as I have a tiny bit of Spanish and French DNA. However, I don't think that, whoever my ancestor was, they were an isolated arrival on British/Irish shores. The confidence with which 23andMe assigns me 95% plus British/Irish ancestry mitigates against that I think. It's just a theory, of course, but I've read a lot of interesting sources which suggest that there really is some truth in the ten tribes story.

There's a lot more to my theory than what I've said here. I've done a lot of reading, a lot of which sounds pretty fanciful but otherwise things which make a lot of sense. From my experience, not being mainstream is a positive recommendation;). Sure. The thing is that there will potentially have been several dozen haplogroups involved and many may not have been identified yet. Haplogroups have things called subclads which are further refinements of the haplogroups indicating closer kinship. Other things will muddy the waters such as unrelated groups merging, creating their own joint culture and effectively erasing their origins so there could be Assyrians who got together with Ancient Israelites and formed new cultures. There is even a theory, based on ancient documents, that the Spartans were Hebrews. I can't remember the precise details but I'm sure you can look them up. I acknowledge that I have no idea what relatively common means in this context but it suggests that, within the databases used by 23andMe, M1a is present at sufficient frequency to imply that maternal origins are there and have been for a long time. Rb1 is actually a paternal haplogroup and, it just so happens, is mine;). My subclad actually connects me to the Bourbons of France which is pretty interesting but I've not had a chance to chase it up. I do have a percent or two of French but that must be from a long time ago. Curiously enough, there's a bit of controversy over King Tut's paternal DNA. This was tested some time ago but, for some strange reason, the Egyptian authorities did not release the results. A commercial DNA testing company, extracted information from the documentary about the testing and says that it showed that King Tut was Rb1! That is actually very interesting too because there are clues leading from Egypt via Ancient Israel to the UK and the royal family. Not to mention the fact that a lot of Freemasonry traditions incorporate aspects of both ancient origins. Some might think that all of this stuff is pretty wild but it has its proponents out there and I think they're on to something. YMMV;). No problem. I think the jury is still out on the Celts/Hebrews hypothesis and it'll be a long before there's any resolution. There's a lot of stuff we don't know and the fact of the matter is that relatively few people have been tested and the databases are pretty small. I've read about the Hebrew/Gaelic connection and I'm aware of those who say that this is some kind of false cognate but it's easy to poo poo any theory like that. I'd be more impressed if they actually had a theory of their own but they don't appear to;). I'm a long way down the self-knowledge path. I have some earlier posts which didn't get a lot of traction describing how my supposed mental health issues were actually the result of a common blood disorder, i.e. anaemia. Have a search for them or it. I'm now at the point where I can muse about other things like my ancient origins;). I came pretty close to death about 5 years ago but was lucky enough to discover the real root cause of my life long ill-health just in the nick of time to save myself. I think an awful lot of people have similar issues resulting from similar root causes: the vast majority of us are nutritionally deficient but it affects some people mentally far more than others. I think most people are a little nuts mind you;). I know that a lot of people around here are into therapy but it won't cure a blood disorder or nutritional deficiency. I think that people really need to look into their physical health and nutrition. For me it was my route to self-knowledge and at the very least, we could all use being a little healthier so it's got to be worth a try.

Well, no, I don't think so. As I said, M1a is apparently one of the less common Ashkenazi maternal haplogroups. However, I don't have the Ashkenazi markers so I don't think my M1a derives from a Jewish ancestor. For some reason, M1a is considered to be Ancient Israelite. I've not found the research from which this is derived. I think the ten tribes seem to have spread across the whole of Northern Europe. I have read a fair bit on this. So much that I can't remember what I read where. However, one thing that I recall is that the numbers of people left in Northern Israel plus those relocated to Babylon added together meant that there were hundreds of thousands unaccounted for who had gone elsewhere. One theory is that they became the Scythians. There is. I mentioned the Scottish Declaration of Independence. Another interesting little factoid is that there were bowls found in the Sutton Hoo boat burial featuring the Star of David. You can google that. This could mean that these boats burials weren't Saxon or English either. I think they may well have been Celtic or, in other words, Hebrew. I'm more interested in the genetic side of things and where that leads as it's more concrete. However, there are lots of interesting historical clues if you want to look for them. I've found loads but they're dotted around all over the place and in books I've bought. Yes, it's really interesting and very frustrating that I don't have much more information. It may be that it's relatively common in Ireland in some areas but not enough to have made it into the national stats. If the 95% is correct, that's pretty weird I would say. My grandmother was born on a very small island off the north of Ireland. Literally on the Celtic fringe. There is some interesting stuff about the Phoenicians escaping from Carthage and seeking refuge with their Irish "brothers", i.e. they saw the Irish as their Hebrew or Celtic brothers. The Phoenicians emerged from the Levant which is definitely in the ten tribes vicinity. Are you knowledgeable on the genetics side? I really need to do more reading and perhaps even head off to the British Library to try and dig some stuff up.

Ok, so the bible is complete fiction. Fine. The genetics is complete fiction? Well, two of the tribes went to Babylon. The whole point is where the other ten tribes went. I'm not going to cut and paste stuff that people can find for themselves but there's very interesting historical evidence for where the missing ten tribes went. There is a fair amount of conflicting theories but if the genetics lines up with some of them then there's something worth considering.

P.S. It seems that the Assyrians have been found to be genetically homogenous with the other peoples of the region: A 2008 study on the genetics of "old ethnic groups in Mesopotamia," including 340 subjects from seven ethnic communities ("Assyrian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Armenian, Turkmen, the Arab peoples in Iran, Iraq, and Kuwait") found that Assyrians were homogeneous with respect to all other ethnic groups sampled in the study, regardless of religious affiliation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_people So it's not really possible to say where they went. They are, effectively, still there in the mix of similar populations.

M1a is just one of the haplogroups associated with the Ancient Israelites. There are others but I've not paid them any attention as they don't apply to me. As I said above, my reasoning for my mtDNA not being an outlier is that 23andMe gives my ancestry as more than 95% British Irish. Given that, I would say that there must be substantial evidence of a significant distribution of my mtDNA in the British/Irish population. Obviously, I don't know the magnitude of this distribution. I did read an interesting book Blood of the Isles by Bryan Sykes in which he identifies the main ancestral lineages in the UK. Unfortunately, he doesn't relate these lineages to the now accepted haplogroup designations. I've considered getting my DNA tested by his company but it's quite a bit more expensive than 23andMe. Interestingly, there is evidence that the Phoenicians and the Carthaginians ended up in Ireland and they were related to the Ancient Israelites too. My maternal ancestry derives from one of the small islands off Ireland which is considered to be part of the Celtic fringe stretching from Spain up the west coast of France to the UK. Thanks for the article. I've seen it before. It's all very interesting. I think there is rather a lot of evidence in fact and my own DNA evidence points to the history. albeit far from mainstream, being correct. The Old Testament is in large part a huge family tree. Whether you think there's anything in it, it's rather detailed for it to be complete nonsense. There is historical evidence for the paths taken by some of the tribes after they left their ancestral homeland so I don't think it's a complete fairy story.