My sister-in-law and brother are compulsive liars and alcoholics. They've been given many chances, from rehab from my brother - and during his rehab my sister-in-law stated that "no one will take away my alcohol - to blanket forgiveness by my family repeatedly for their behavior. My brother received a number of DWI's, and was helped out by my father in a number of cases to help fix his cases. Recently, yet again, my sister-in-law began yelling at me in front of my family, stating that "You think you're so high and fucking mighty because your sober", which is a common theme of abusive people. They have a completely violence based relationship, though not physical violence that I know of, and they express that violent behavior on others. Due to this repeated onslaught of hate, they have been ostracized and not spoken to anymore. Let me make this clear, I realize that the first response by some people here is that my parents fucked up in raising him. But, my parents through discussions, therapy and life events have expanded their minds and have become even more loving human beings who have embraced anarchism, atheism, and have categorically apologized for any abuse while stating that my wife and I will be better parents. My brother, on the hand, is a 30 year old boy who has done nothing but fuck up his own life while blaming others and constantly lying. He should be ostracized and not forgiven because he's gone too deep down a hole of shit.