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Just like the Antropogenic Global Warming topic, a similar OP for the not less "hot" topics immigration, (forced) multiculturalism and related subjects. Topics are sorted by popularity (# of replies) Podcasts are sorted chronologically (newest to oldest) Topic highlighted in blue contains scientific studies Forum topics on Immigration et al. The European "Migrant" Crisis - 02-09-2015 - 51 replies White People - 09-07-2015 - 42 r The Truth About Immigration and Welfare - 20-10-2015 - 35 r My Problem with Immigrants - Tolerating Intolerance - 01-10-2015 - 19 r The Donald Trump Immigration Controversy - Bill Whittle & Stefan Molyneux - 09-12-2015 - 17 r Female Worker Stabbed to Death in Swedish Refugee Center - 26-01-2016 - 15 r What Pisses Me Off About the European Migrant Crisis - 02-09-2015 - 14 r How Multiculturalism Enriches Europe - 29-08-2015 - 14 r Temporary Foreign Workers - 22-04-2014 - 14 r White Genocide Theory in a Nutshell - 29-11-2015 - 9 r Operational Sex Ratio & Islamic Rape Jihad - 29-01-2016 - 8 r The Great Freedoms That Come From Immigrants Outside the Freedom Club - 20-08-2014 - 8 r Immigration & Native Americans - 18-11-2015 - 7 r Donald Trump's Immigration Plan - An Honest Conversation - 18-08-2015 - 7 r Donald Trump: Stop Muslim Immigration - True News - 08-12-2015 - 6 r The Truth About Illegal Immigrants - Was Donald Trump Right? - 17-10-2015 - 6 r What Outcome Will Multiculturalism Have? - 06-10-2015 - 6 r The Truth About Immigration - What They Won't Tell You! - 20-07-2014 - 6 r Shareable Anti-Immigration Video? - 03-01-2016 - 5 r Border Controls & Anarcholibertarian Ethics - 28-12-2015 - 5 r Mises & Immigration - 13-01-2015 - 3 r Trying to Understand the Refugee Migrant Situation - 20-11-2015 - 2 r The Very Real Economic Costs of Birthright Citizenship - 24-08-2015 - 2 r Obama's Executive Order - Immigration, Amnesty & Contradictions - 22-11-2014 - 2 r The Immigration Crisis - Propaganda Decoded - 29-07-2014 - 2 r The High Cost of Middle-Eastern Refugees - Steven Camarota & Stefan Molyneux - 14-12-2015 - 0 r 62 % of Illegal Immigrant Households on Welfare - 02-11-2015 - 0 r IQ and Immigration - Jason Richwine & Stefan Molyneux - 05-10-2015 - 0 r FDR podcasts on Immigration Is the European Migrant Crisis Leading to War? - Paul Joseph & Stefan Molyneux - 04-02-2016 - 1:01:44 The High Cost of Middle-Eastern Refugees - Steven Camarota & Stefan Molyneux - 14-12-2015 - 46:47 The Donald Trump Immigration Controversy - Bill Whittle & Stefan Molyneux - 09-12-2015 - 1:15:47 Donald Trump: Stop Muslim Immigration - True News - 08-12-2015 - 28:39 62 % of Illegal Immigrant Households on Welfare - Steven Camarota & Stefan Molyneux - 02-11-2015 - 1:03:47 The Truth About Immigration & Welfare - 20-10-2015 - 35:19 The Truth About Illegal Immigrants - Was Donald Trump Right? - 17-10-2015 - 54:36 IQ & Immigration - Jason Richwine & Stefan Molyneux - 05-10-2015 - 1:02:07 Death By Multiculturalism - Call-in Show - 09-09-2015 - 3:30:26 Donald Trump's Immigration Plan - An Honest Conversation - 18-08-2015 - 1:53:36 An Honest Conversation About Donald Trump - 05-08-2015 - 1:32:28 Obama's Executive Order - Immigration, Amnesty & Contradictions - 22-11-2014 - 20:35 The Immigration Crisis Propaganda Decoded - with Monica Perez - 29-07-2014 - 36:10 The Truth About Immigration - What They Won't Tell You! - 21-07-2014 - 1:45:35 Unions, Immigration & Foreign Trade - 19-11-2012 - 1:04:11 Call-in Show - Why Doesn't the Free Market Work in Immigration? - 05-06-2011 - 1:55:15 The Immigration Roundtable - Stephan Kinsella, Wilt Alston & Stefan Molyneux - 09-05-2010 - 1:57:12 Immigration - Part 2 - 25-01-2007 - 31:03 Immigration & Empathy - 24-01-2007 - 38:25 Immigration, History & Genocide - 02-05-2006 - 42:04 Immigration Part 2 - The Predatory Escalation of Immigration Policies - 04-04-2006 - 9:58 Immigration Part 1 - 04-04-2006 - 34:10 FDR videos on Immigration & YouTube Playlist ===================================== External video Interesting & Effectively Simple Video on the Uselessness of Immigration into the Western World - Roy Beck

Hi thinkers and alike, Anyone who is thinking about going into/becoming associated with business endeavours connected with (M.L.M.) 'multi-level-marketing' ought to look into it deeper for a better understanding of the risks involved. Risk assessment above any and all anecdotes, in my opinion, is the most efficient approach. There's a good case study by Jon M. Taylor, MBA, PhD. (link) The top 10 such companies are :(according to network marketing central) 1 Avon Products, Inc 2 Amway 3 Herbalife Ltd. 4 Natura Cosmeticos SA 5 Vorwerk & Co. KG 6 Mary Kay Inc. 7 Tupperware Brands Corp. 8 Oriflame Cosmetics SA 9 NuSkin Enterprises, Inc. 10 Belcorp Robert Kiyosaki does not have a multi-level-marketing business (owner) to my current knowledge, though he endorses its merits, along with Donald Trump. Good mind-expanding, Barnsley

When you’re in the watchtower of a ship and you see the ship is about to collide into an iceberg, warning the pilot about the incoming collision becomes top priority. If the building you’re in is on fire, the fire and the means of extinguishing the flame or escaping the building tends to take priority over other topics. In situations of great emergency, people’s priorities shift so that responding appropriately to that emergency becomes top priority. In situations of great emergency it is essential that those who are committed to fighting the great moral ills of the world also prioritize their focus rationally. If you are a doctor in a plague, you don’t want to step over the guy suffering from a flesh wound to attend to the person who only has a hang nail. Right now we are in a situation of great emergency not much different from the emergency the British faced in June. There is a fork in the road ahead to which we draw nearer and nearer to everyday. The paths up ahead lead to two separate destinations that couldn’t be further apart from one another. The path on the left leads to a world of doom. The path on the right leads to a world of possibility. The world of doom is the world we shall live in should Hillary Clinton — one of the most physically ill, mentally unstable, corrupt and wicked politicians of all time — be elected president. Hillary has made it clear that she will do to the United States what Angela Merkel has done to Germany. This means that Hillary Clinton will gradually transform the United States into a third world country by indiscriminately importing third worlders along with their anti-western cultures. In this world, the real threat of a nuclear war with Russia looms larger than it ever has. In this world, the West will fall. The world of possibility is the world we will live in should Donald Trump — a candidate that is unprecedented in the history of politics —become the next president of the United States. In this world, there is the possibility of preserving the West. In this world, we will be in a situation not much different from the situation of hope the British found themselves in after the EU referendum. Yet, there are those who have for months insisted that these two paths are equivalent, that there is no emergency, that it doesn’t matter which road we take, and that the people have chosen to focus on the emergencies which threatens the West have “lost their way.” In order to satisfy their moral high ground, these nihilists who like to negate stuff and call it thinking like to imagine that they stand on top of the hierarchy of important topics, while the ones who are working the hardest to move the needle towards a free society, like Stefan Molyneux, have foolishly descended to the bottom of the hierarchy by focusing on the fork in the road that is this upcoming election. If we discuss the facts which show the dangers of importing millions of Islamic migrants into the First World, they are quick to remind us of the “big picture”, which is that the immigration is a symptom of the welfare state. If we talk about the facts which show how the media slanders Donald Trump, we are reminded of the “big picture”, which is that nobody should be president and that the state is an agency of violence. If we express a desire to vote with the hope of better conditions in a state of nature under coercion, they tell us we are the ones with the gun who wish to impose our will on millions of people. If we talk about the importance of preserving the West, we are then reminded how much more important it is to talk about peaceful parenting. They tell us that we are merely distracting ourselves with politics and swapping consistency for pragmatism, while they are the ones truly adhering to principles. They are fools. And the degree to which these people are overeager to boast about their “consistency” is the degree to which they have been consumed by arrogance. The people who bemoan Stef and other’s decision to focus on that which threatens the West as of late and then beam out these distress signals calling for a “return to form” simply aren’t listening. I am voting for Donald Trump to preserve the West. Preserving the West means preserving the progress Europeans have made in improving the relationship between parents and children for the past 150 years since Rousseau, which is absolutely necessary to bring a peaceful society. Mass immigration under Hillary Clinton will displace the most child friendly culture the world has ever produced with the child hostile cultures of the 3rd world. Displacing a high IQ population that adheres to Western values with a low IQ population that adheres to a culture which is antithetical to everything the West holds dear — and then expecting that ideas of personal and political liberty will take root and bloom just as well as they would within the high IQ population — is like replacing your flower garden’s rich soil with cement and then expecting that you’ll be able to grow daffodils and lilies just as well. You need a certain cultural soil for these ideas to have a chance at taking root. Thus, it’s perfectly consistent with the goal of getting to a free society through peaceful parenting to fight back against those who wish to destroy the West. It is not those of us who accept this reality who have abandoned our principles, but rather it is the grandiose anarchists and libertarians that constantly undermine and negate our efforts who have abandoned humility, who have abandoned curiosity, who have abandoned empiricism, who have abandoned empathy, and who have abandoned the West. As a consequence of choosing to selfishly indulge in their own cynicism at a time when the West needed defending the most, they will have have abandoned the cause of bringing the world towards a more free society founded upon the sturdy foundation that is peaceful parenting. They are in no position to lecture. Find more of my writing on Medium

Immigration: An Empiricist’s Perspective There are few issues which have been brought to the forefront of discussion this year that have been as contentious as the topic of immigration. Having accepted the validity of the non-aggression principle and property rights back in 2010, my default position on immigration since then has always been open borders. After being introduced to new data covered in Stefan Molyneux’s extensive library of content about the migrant crisis and immigration, I have changed my perspective on this issue. Here I’d like to share a few quotes from Stefan Molyneux taken from some of his presentations and listener conversations as a way to introduce crucial nuances that are essential to include in any analysis that aims to see the issue of immigration clearly. A whole lot of work was put into this. I hope you find this resource valuable. If so, please share. You can find medium version here. (Which is the version I'd recommend since it looks better and has picture. ) “Open Borders” is an oxymoron This whole ‘open borders’ thing — it’s a complete oxymoron. If you’ve got *open* it’s no border. It’s simply not a border. It’s just a line you can cross that is completely imaginary. So, Hillary is basically saying that she wants to be the last president of the United States because she doesn’t want the United States to exist afterwards because open borders is exactly that.In one way it’s like, “oh, free trade, free travel!” and so on, but everybody knows exactly which direction that travel is going to go. It’s going to go south to north.It’s not like you’re going to get masses of people moving from Canada to America, it’s going to be a massive, one way, gravy train of welfare dependent migrants coming across from South and Central America who are going to sit there and consume welfare at ungodly rates, 70% to 80% of some estimates, and going to vote democrat. -Stefan Molyneux (Quote from Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton | Second Presidential Debate Analysis 43:44) Open Borders is Just Another Government Program If you are against government subsidies to business, you are not against the free market. Would you agree? In fact, being for the free market, would that not lead you to oppose government subsidies? Now, would we not say that opposing government subsidies is a reasonable thing for a libertarian or an anarchist to do?When it comes to say, Syrians from the conflict; how do these Syrians get to the United States? Airfare or by ships and generally the airfare is paid for by the government because these people are not hugely rich. So, when they get to America they are met by legions of social workers who sign them up for every conceivable government program that can be imagined.And then they put their kids in government schools and the government schools budgets go up enormously because now you have multilingual issues to deal with, not to mention kids who have been educated according to different curriculums and different subjects.And who pays for all of that? Is it the Syrians themselves?So, immigration, in this particular context is paid for enormously by the state. So, the cost of resettling Middle Eastern refugees, if people were to send a thousand dollars to the middle east they could resettle someone from the Middle East in the Middle East.However, it’s almost thirteen thousand dollars to bring that person to the United States. So, immigration right now is highly subsidized. It is a highly subsidized government program for the most part, in this particular context.So, when I say that I’m against this kind of immigration, am I saying that we should initiate the use of force to keep people out? Well, the only reason they’re here is because the initiation of force. In other words, because of government subsidies.In I say, if I don’t want “Green Energy companies” to get billions of dollars in government subsidies and then people scream at me that I’m against the free market, you can understand that that would be a little bit frustrating if it happened month after month after month. So, this is highly subsidized human movement and frankly, at the expense of kids because there are fewer resources to bring to kids who are born in America because of all of these immigrants and not just the Middle East, but other places where language incompatibility is an issue.Thus, being against government subsidies, which is how the immigration in a lot of ways works these days is not being against the “free movement of human beings” anymore than being against government subsidies to business is against the free exchange of goods and ideas. — Stefan Molyneux ( Quote from FDR 3213 Sexual Market Value Olympics) Open Borders + Welfare State = The Initiation of Force “People say if people are not allowed to come into the country, then that is the initiation of the use of force. I completely agree with that. I completely and totally agree with that. However, if the actions of someone by entering a particular area results in the greater initiation of force, then it’s not as simple as people think. The problem is that people are showing it in isolation. So, let me give you a tiny example. If I go into my own house, I am not initiating the use of force. If some guy with a gun wants to come into my house, well, guess what? He’s initiating the use of force. If he comes in while I’m sleeping and steals from me he is initiating the use of force. Now, if someone comes into my house because I’ve invited them and we’re going to play Yahtzee and Monopoly or he’s going to fix my toilet because I had Indian food, then he’s coming into my house voluntarily and he’s not initiating the use of force and neither are his actions initiating the use of force against me. So, the reality is that statistically, by and large and by far both legal and illegal immigrants coming into America vastly increase the use of force in America. And so, simply by looking at putting a barrier around america to prevent people from coming into america and saying, ‘Well, that’s the only initiation of force that matters’ That’s ridiculous. There’s a little thing called the welfare state, which I believe I’ve seen a few Libertarians talk about. But, immigrants use welfare at vastly higher rates than domestic citizens. So, 51% of immigrants are using the welfare state, compared to 30% for natives. And those natives include high utilizers of the welfare state such as blacks and Hispanics. Among illegal immigrants, it’s even higher. It’s more than twice the rate of natives. So, the reality is and this is a basic mathematical reality that you can only escape by sticking your head so far up your ass that you can drill though your nipples and call them telescopes. The reality is that immigrants in general, on average, coming into america are both going to use, be dependent on, and vote for increases in the welfare state. If you care about the welfare state, then you need to diminish the number of people on the welfare state. This is not brain surgery. People do not vote to get rid of or even intellectually oppose that which puts bread on their table and puts a roof over their heads that is necessary for their survival. And the fact that this is even debatable or even debated, I don’t even know what to say.” It’s very hard to get a man to understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding something. And when you bring a bunch of people in with no history of free market thinking in their culture, and for illegal immigrants in particularly, get on welfare at a rate of 62%, those people in order to survive in america require massive amounts of government spending in America and indeed the only reason they can stay in America, as Dr. Steven Camarota has pointed out on this show, is by voting for an ever increasing welfare state. When, you get people coming in to a country who can only survive and live in that country because of government spending, what do you think they’re going to vote for? An expansion of extraction of government power? “ - Stefan Molyneux (Are Libertarians Wrong About Immigration) Well, Let’s Say That 99% of The Immigrants Coming Into America Will Accept Welfare. Is It Still Fair To Punish The Innocent 1% Who Will Not? Ethics would be from first principles, not from last minute emergencies and ridiculous made up nonsense, but from first principles. How can philosophy improve our lives? What does morality mean? What is virtue? Are there exceptions to the non-aggression principle? That is what morality and philosophy is about. Morality is not about ridiculously emergency, murder based, lifeboat, imaginary, non-existent situations. We’ve got to start working from first principles and figure out what is virtue?What is truth? What is reality? What is goodness? Is there a role for violence in society? If so, where? Is self-defense justifiable? Is the initiation of force justifiable? If so, how? If not, well, let’s get rid of it. And so, coming up with this kind of crazy shit to me is missing the entire point of philosophy. Start with first principles, not with last minute imaginary nonexistent emergencies. Don’t get into the trap. Reject the scenario. Don’t accept the premises of this kind of crazy stuff. This is not what philosophy and morality should be working with. These made-up scenarios will never happen. So, what these people are saying is that the most important question in philosophy is something that will never ever ever happen. You will never be in that situation. So, what this person is saying is philosophy is both abusive and irrelevant. Now, what will occur in your life is how well you treat those around you. Do you tell the truth? Do you refrain from abusing them physically, emotionally, verbally, sexually? When you see someone being hurt, whether it’s an adult or a child, will you intervene? Will you do something moral? Will you use the against me argument? Will you point out the gun in the room when it comes to people supporting statist violence? Will you oppose war? And what will you do with the people in your life who support war? These are all things people can do. Fuck this trolley bullshit. That’s something people will never experience. What I am always curious about is what actually can people do in their lives to advance the cause of virtue and truth and goodness and progress in the human experience. And this trolley stuff, I’d say it’s intellectual masturbation, but masturbation is a lot more fun than this sort of nonsense.” - Stefan Molyneux (Podcast 2278:The Evils Of Emergency Ethics.) The “Innocent Immigrant” Fallacy Caller: Well, it is the initiation of force to not allow people to enter into the country. “Yes, and it is to prevent a greater initiation of force by the massive consumption of the welfare state and dedication to a party that itself is dedicated to expanding government to the nth degree, which is the leftists. You’re only focusing on one side of the equation. The debt is all on innocent people because the debtis intergenerational. 100% of the debt is going to fall on the next generation. So, if you say that 10% or 20% or a couple of percentage points of the illegal immigrants who aren’t going to get on welfare are unjustly coerced, then okay. But, 100% of the debt that the remainder are generating is going to go on 100% of innocent people called the kids. So, you can raise me with 20 or 30% innocence and I’m going to trump you with 100% of innocence. First of all, nobody can tell who will or will not go on welfare, although there could be an IQ test that would help, but it’s illegal to administer it, so who cares. But, is it fair to say to the children that the quality or your education is going to be significantly worse because half the resources in your school district is going to go to figure out how to teach traumatized kids with an IQ of 85%. Do you have the right to inflict that kind of degradation on the quality of education on children across America? Are they not innocent? Do they not deserve as good an education as can be provided to them? Are you not stripping them of possibilities and futures? Plus, what about poor black kids who are having a significant degree of trouble competing with illegal immigrants who aren’t having to pay taxes of follow regulations to get jobs. What about the black kids? What about the native people? What about the whites, the Hispanics, the Native Americans, the blacks who can’t get jobs because wave after wave after wave of people are coming in and driving up the cost of legal jobs because of the amount of welfare taxes that have to be paid and driving down the cost of under the table jobs, which the immigrant networks are all set up to exploit, while no native networks exist. And so, what about the young black kid who can’t get a job because it’s been taken by an immigrant? More immigrants have come into America over the past decade than jobs have been created. So, statistically immigrants are taking away jobs and driving down wages — it’s supply and demand. Libertarians and free market economists should understand this. Huge numbers of low skill, low education and possibly low intellect people all coming into a country, what is that going to do to the price of low skilled, low education labor? It’s supply and demand bitches, you can’t fight it. So, what about those people? Are you going to stand in front of one hundred million American children and say, ‘Sorry, you don’t get music lessons. You don’t get to play outside. Your playground doesn’t get repaired. You have to sit with old textbooks in cold classrooms because I want people who don’t speak your language and who don’t know your cultural values to come in. And by the way, you’ll be in debt another 50,000 dollars for each of you because of my preference for open borders.’ Look, if people can say that then I admire their consistency, if not their ethical integrity, but these are the stark realities of the effects of immigration. Caller: You are a voluntaryist right? Right, which means I want a free society. Now, the way to get to a free society is for people to treat their children better. So, if I think a free society requires a country or a geographical area where people treat their children better, do you think that Europeans treat their children better or do you think that Muslims treat their children better? Do you think that a culture that has really focused on banning spanking or at least focused on reducing the amount of aggression in childhood is something that I would prefer to be surrounded by in my quest for a free society through better parenting or say people who think that sawing off the labia of twelve year old little girls is a really fucking great thing to do? Which group do you think is going to be better equipped to lead society to a free society through better parenting? Your average white western European christian or your average IQ 85 Islamic? The Europeans. So, if people from Europe since Rousseau for the past 150 years have focused on improving the relationship between parents and children — I believe it is absolutely functionally and totally necessary for peaceful parenting to bring a peaceful and free society, so if I want to live in a free society do I want people around who are better parents or who are worse parents? Better parents. It’s perfectly consistent with my goal for a free society to want people around who are better parents, rather than parents who are aggressive and violent and clitorectomy-based parents. Caller: But, in order to accomplish that you need to initiate force against innocent people. So, what? In order to not go to jail I have to pay the state. It’s not a moral situation. Don’t fucking put the morals on me, I’m the guy fighting it. Go yell at the IRS, why don’t you go yell at the people on welfare and tell them about the morally-compromised situation they’re in. Why the hell are people bringing it to me? Caller: Well, I’m curious because everything you say is usually morally consistent and it just breaks away… I am morally consistent. I have said in a situation where there is coercion, where there is violence no matter what there are no moral standards to be applied. There is no moral choice to be made in a coercive situation. If somebody puts a gun to your head and tell you to walk left or to walk right, whether you walk left or walk right is not a moral choice. No morality exists when there is coercion. When it comes to immigration, there is no possibility of a consistent moral choice at the moment. In the future, free society — open borders away! Fantastic! Because then we have a choice. Right now we have no choice because immigration is a giant government program and if the immigrants come in huge amounts of violence will be enacted against the young, against those on fixed incomes, and not to mention very high rates of crime among immigrant populations, which we’ve talked about before. So, if the immigrants from third-world countries come into America, it will result in the vast escalation and hazardously resulted, statistically, demonstrably, according to the experts with all the data — it has resulted in a vast increase in the initiation of force in society. And you say, ‘Ah, well keeping immigrants out also requires the initiation of force!’ Yes, let’s say that it does. So what? The initiation of force is going to happen under any context you can consider other than a magical, unicorn-based free society that will never occur tomorrow because libertarians wont focus on peaceful parenting. So, there’s going to be coercion no matter what. There’s coercion to keep them out and to keep them in there’s even more coercion. So, if you want the immigrants to come in just be honest and say, ‘I’m willing to accept the coercion of the immigrants coming in.’ But, it is dishonest and tendentious to the maximum to only focus on one small potential act of violence called keeping people out and to completely ignore all of the amounts of violence that is occurring by letting people in. I mean, if libertarians can stand in front of a group of hundreds and hundreds of Swedish women and say, ‘Yeah, it’s fine that you got raped because I don’t want to have border guards push people back’, then fine. Go talk to the Swedish women and say, ‘Your bruised and battered and blond faces because you got raped, fine, it’s for my moral self congratulation. It’s because I’m afraid of being called a racist, it’s not because I have any consistent application of the non-aggression principle, otherwise I’d be all over that spanking thing Stef’s been talking about forever. It’s because I wanna feel good about letting people in. I don’t wanna be thought of as a racist. I wanna be thought of a cosmopolitan. I wanna be thought of as an egalitarian and I just want to focus on one tiny little aspect of the initiation of force and ignore all of the other initiations of force that occur just to satisfy my moral high ground. Pathological altruism. But, if people are willing to say, ‘Yeah, I wanna let people in and the result is far greater crime, much worse educational outcomes for the children, massive increases in the national dept, and a complete entrenchment of the welfare state and all of the intended destruction on the poor the welfare state entails’, great! Fantastic. Say, ‘I don’t want that border. I don’t want that initiation of force at that border, I’m willing to take a far greater initiation of force elsewhere’, fine! Say it! Just say it and be honest about it. But, don’t be one of these people who are like, ‘Ah, yes, you see there’s this government program that created 500 jobs, so we’re now richer!’ The whole point of libertarian thinking and economic thinking and just plain thinking is to not look at the obvious benefits, but to look at the hidden costs. And there are huge violent, coercive, destructive, direct, repetitive, government escalating costs by allowing third-world people to come into a first world country. And if people want to have open borders to third-world immigrants they have to be honest about the violence that causes in society. - Stefan Molyneux (Podcast 3170- Dusty P3n!s Syndrome) Multiculturalism Destroys Societies Multiculturalism is a complete and total failure and I say this as somebody who was dedicated to multiculturalism literally for decades. But, when the data is there, only fools and dogmatists ignore it. We all have to accept the new data. The new data shows that multiculturalism destroys societies. It doesn’t just make them difficult and tense, it literally destroys society. We can see this occurring is Germany. We can see this occurring in Sweden. Sweden is now pushing back against all these immigrants because society is fucking breaking down because you have a bunch of IQ 84 people with a history of Islamic abuses and abusing swarming into a country and they have to be lectured not to rape people. Jesus god, go and look up immigrant crimes in Sweden. Look at how expensive it is. Look at how destructive it is. You want to see a rape culture, do you think these people should get raped because libertarians don’t like fences? Caller: Well, wouldn’t that be defensive force against individual aggressors, whereas (borders) is force against an entire category of people. My god man, you’re still focusing on only one side of the equation. As I said before, when they come into the country you are initiating force upon an entire categories of people. Who is paying for the Islamic immigrants in jail and on trial and all of the traumas inflicted, the lost productivity, the emotional traumas, who is paying for all of that in Sweden? Everyone! So, letting the people in is also initiating force against an entire category of people called tax payers. So, I’ll see your “it’s initiating force against one group of people” and I’ll say it’s initiating force against another group of people. That’s why there’s no moral choice to be made. You may look at some pragmatic and practical choices, which I choose to do. But, saying there’s some kind of principle you can apply here is madness. There’s no principle that’s possible because everywhere you turn there’s a gun. Now, I choose to turn to the less rapey gun. I prefer to turn to the gun that is not stuck in some woman’s vagina at the moment. I choose to turn to the lesser of two evils. And people say, “Well, it’s still evil!!” Okay, well, you tell me where there is no evil in this situation and I will award you with the knight’s cross of perfection and I will follow you and turn my show over to you. And I don’t mean that facetiously. If someone can explain how letting third world immigrants in is a non violent situation then they can show how there are no illegal immigrants on welfare or at least show that illegal immigrants don’t use welfare at higher rates than domestics because you could say, “well, you can’t allow people to have kids because 30% of them will end up on welfare.” Yeah, but for them the numbers are different and there is the capacity to stop immigration into America, there’s no capacity to stop people from breeding. So, there’s no moral answer to this. But, anybody with any pragmatic brains has got to recognize that bringing in people with no history in the free market, no appreciation of church and state(25% of whom want to use violence to oppose Sharia law and 50% of whom want to live under Sharia law) and that comes from a group of people whose religion commands them to lie to outsiders and to hide their true intentions. How the fuck is that suppose to result in a free society? Import millions of people who want to stone adulterers, import people who believe in honor killings and by the way who vastly outbreed the domestic population. How is that going to get you your free society? -Stefan Molyneux (FDR3170 Dusty P3n!s Syndrome — Call In Show — January 1st, 2016) A Free Society Requires A High IQ Population The reality is that the immigrants are only here, in general, and there are exceptions — they are only here for the social benefits. They are only going to Europe. Well, let’s look at Hispanic immigrants. As Stephen Camarata pointed out, for a family of four your health care insurance is going to cost you 20k a year. 20,000 dollars a year. See, the expense of things in a free society is what keeps the low IQ people out. Because if you have — and I’m not saying it’s a free market just go with me on this at the moment — let’s say your healthcare cost is so advanced and so powerful and so productive and so all healing. Let’s say your healthcare costs 20,000 dollars a year for insurance. What that means is that people who can’t make at least 30 dollars an hour can’t come in because they can’t even afford the health insurance not even counting the deductibles and things like rent and food and cars and gas and school, etc. So, when you have a free society or a relatively free society, things are kind of expensive because they’re high quality. So, people can only come illegally into America because the government pays the bills they can’t afford to pay. To pay 20,000 dollars for a family of four’s health insurance for a year means if you make 10 dollars an hour and pay no taxes and have no deductions you can barely afford to pay for the health insurance, which means that if you don’t make much money, — in other words if you’re not educated, if you’re not smart — then you don’t get to go to that country. You can’t make it. You can’t make it. And this is how a free society has a natural shield against low IQ people coming in. And why do I say low IQ people? Because a free society requires high IQ populations. Because you cannot point to one single god damn place on this Earth where you have a low IQ population and a free society. A free society requires a high IQ population and those high IQ populations can come from Somolia, which we see with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, they can come from Japan, they can come from Scotland, they can come from Eritrea, etc. And a free society is expensive enough that low IQ people need not apply. Now, if you violate that free society with forced association and government immigration, stopping immigration is ending a government program. -Stefan Molyneux (FDR3170 Dusty P3n!s Syndrome — Call In Show — January 1st, 2016) Forced Association “To become more prosperous we should open our borders”- Jeffrey Tucker You may not like it that someone who doesn’t speak your language, and who doesn’t respect your values, and who wants to impose horrible immoral laws upon you and your children and in particular women in your family — you may not like that. And in a free society you can choose not to interact with that person. But, in the government called immigration you are forced by gunpoint to not only interact with that person, but to pay for that person. You are forced to pay for that person, half of whom want to replace reasonable descendants of Anglo-Saxon law with god awful primitive, barbaric, Sharia Law. You are forced to pay for them. You are forced to associate with them and hire them because if you don’t have proportional representation you could get sued. You are forced to hire them, forced to rent to them, forced to interact with them, forced to pay all their doctors bills, food bills, housing bills, and everything. You are forced to pay for people who, if at least half of whom got their way you wouldn’t want to get out of bed because your life wouldn’t be worth living. Immigration is a government program. The immigrants are in general here for subsidies. So, when I oppose immigration and people then think I’m somehow pro-government that’s like saying I’m pro-government for being against the welfare state. I’m against immigration because it is a government program. In a free society with no welfare state and free association, people can come and go, I don’t give a shit. I don’t care who moves in three streets down the road in a free society. But, when people pouring in across the border interfere with my daughter’s ability to get a quality education, if she were in government schools, interfere with my daughter’s ability to get a job in the future, interfere with my daughter’s ability to go through life without being called a racist because the vast majority of these people come from low IQ populations — they’re going to fail because it’s a high IQ society. They’re going to fail and who’s going to get blamed for that failure? Genetics? I don’t think so. White people are going to be blamed and my daughter’s going to get called a racist. I take that pretty fucking personally. -Stefan Molyneux (FDR3170 Dusty P3n!s Syndrome — Call In Show — January 1st, 2016) Just Focus On The Welfare State? If tomorrow we said let’s stop subsidies to big business people would say, “it’s going to cause suffering and pain, but it’s what’s needed.” And if we say stop subsidies to immigrant, great. But, there’s no way to stop subsidies to immigrants when more and more immigrants come in and become dependent on those subsidies. That’s like saying let’s get 90% of companies dependent on government money and then we’re going to lobby companies to cut government spending. How could that be a sane proposal in any rational universe? Immigration is a government program. By stopping immigration, sensible people are saying let’s stop the government program. Let’s stop people coming in who are going to want more and more government so we can have a civilized discussion about the role of the state in society without massive dependent self-interest completely skewing the conversation. You cannot have a sensible conversation about drug addiction with someone who is currently addicted to cocaine. Immigration is a government program. It requires massive spending, massive social controls, massive violations of freedom of association through forced association, it destabilizes communities, it lowers the quality of life in those communities, and it is currently tearing America apart. Stefan Molyneux (FDR3170 Dusty P3n!s Syndrome — Call In Show — January 1st, 2016) Well, You Can’t Judge The Immigrants Since They’re Just Taking What’s Available To Them. The Politicians Allow It To Happen. Here’s how you can judge the immigrants. And this is not particular to Muslim immigrants. Let’s say that there was some Japanese policy, that you could go live in Japan and you could go and get 5000 dollars a month ‘for free’, so to speak, from the taxpayers in Japan. And, if I were to think of going for whatever reason, I think I’d say to myself,‘Well, wait a minute. I haven’t paid into this system. I’m going to go there and I’m going to squat on the necks of the Japanese taxpayers.’ Because the welfare state was originally suppose to work this way: you pay your taxes, if there’s some emergency, we make sure you don’t starve to death until you get back on your feet. That was sort of how it was suppose to work in the first place and it wasn’t an absolute disaster when it first started. But, I would feel really bad. I would feel really bad and it would stop me from doing it, to go to Japan and know that all the 5000 dollars a month that I was getting was coming from a system I had never paid into and it was being paid for against the Japanese people’s will. Because it’s tax money, which means they don’t want it. If it’s a charity and someone sponsors me, that’s different. That’s voluntary. Now, this to me is one of the basic tests of the whole migrant situation. And one of the basic tests of the whole migrant situation is, are the migrants emotionally aware that they’re coming here and taking money from a system they never paid into? The fact that they don’t care means that there’s an empathy mismatch, to put it as nicely as possible. So, what it means is, if they are willing to come and take all of this government money and in the states 90 to 95% of all the Muslim migrants who arrive goes on welfare and a lot of them stay on it for a long time if not forever. And also there are minimum wage laws, which means in Germany two-thirds of the Syrian migrants are functionally illiterate and there’s been some research that says if they don’t hugely lower the minimum wage laws, then these people can never really produce enough value. So, they’re going to come on welfare and it’s the same thing with the Hispanics, the people from South and Central America, they’re moving north into the United States, they come and they get on welfare. Now, do they know that they’ve never paid into this system and that the money has been transferred against the domestic population’s will through the violence of taxation? Now there’s either one of two options. Either A. They do know that and they don’t care fundamentally. “Hey! Free stuff! Who cares? Free stuff.“ It’s not free, assholes. It’s not free. People are working from dawn to dusk, not seeing their kids, to pay for you and your hammock and your tequila. (That’s not of course a reference to the Muslims who are not big on alcohol.) That is the question. Either they do know that they’re taking money from people against their will from a system that they never paid into and they don’t fucking care, in which case sorry, you’re an asshole! They’re coming in and taking money from my pocket through the power of the state. And either you know that’s happening, but you want the money anyway, in which case you’re an asshole or you don’t even know that, in which case you’re not smart enough to do anything of value in this society. Either way, not a fan.” -Stefan Molyneux (ISIS Murdered My Friends — Call In Show — March 23rd, 2016,Podcast 3238–1:34:00) Muh Principles! Are people willing to go and talk to the families of the victims of the San Bernardino shootings and say, “Yeah, it was totally worth it because I’m against the initiation of force. So, the blood soaked into the carpets of the dead people and the funerals and the missing fathers and brothers and mothers and sisters and children — all worth it.” Are people willing to go to the concert goers in Paris where 130 plus were slaughtered and say, “No, it’s worth it because I’m against the initiation of force.” That is not a rational situation. We must abandon the hope of a purely moral situation in an immoral environment like this and work as hard as we can for the long term minimization and stopping of the growth of violence. And if stopping immigration is the least of the evils when it comes to stopping the growth of violence. If we stop immigration at least we stop the number of people accumulating on the welfare rolls. At least we stop the continued dumbing down of education because it’;s turned into a tower of babble where you have 18 kids and 15 languages you gotta teach. And it reduces the amount of criminality because immigrants, particularly from 3rd world countries, are vastly over-represented in the ranks of the violent and criminal. So, right now stopping immigration is stopping a giant government program and if libertarians are not against stopping government programs then they aren’t libertarians. At all. They’re just cowards and cucks who are terrified of the media and of being called racist. And they should just admit that, “I’m chicken shit. I don’t like to be called racist. I don’t like to think that any culture is superior to any other culture. I’m a total egalitarian. I’m a cultural communist and that’s all I have to say” and then just drop the mic and walk out of the room. - Stefan Molyneux (FDR3170 Dusty P3n!s Syndrome — Call In Show — January 1st, 2016) Lecturing The Kidnapped Caller: It seems to many people that you are for restrictions on immigration, provided that a welfare state exists. You think that it’s a bad thing that immigrants come to the United States because they’ll vote for welfare. And provided that the welfare state exists, the United States should prevent Immigrants from coming in because they will vote for enlarging the welfare state. Is that not true? Am I mischaracterizing your position? Stef: Well, to say that I support the initiation of force or that I support a government program is a very complicated thing to put across. Now, I will tell you what I repeatedly have said. I’m guessing, have you only read quotes other people have posted about me or have you listened to shows where I’ve talked about this? Caller: I’m a long time listener of your show. Stef: Okay, so what have I said with regards to government immigration, government programs, in terms of its relationship to ethics? Caller: As far as I know you don’t think the state changes the moral landscape at all. We still have the same moral duties that we’d have if the state didn’t exist. Stef: What? I don’t know what that means. Caller: So, you think that whether or not the state exists, we have the same moral rights and the same obligations, correct? Stef: Whether or not the state exists, we have the same moral rights and the same obligation? Again, I’m sorry, I don’t know what that means. Explain that to me a little more. Caller: Sure. We have an obligation not to coerce other people, right? Stef: Again, I don’t know what this means and I’m not trying to be dense. Are you saying that the initiation of force regardless whether the state is there or not, everyone has the same requirement to not initiate force? Caller: Yeah. Stef: But, the state is the initiation of force. So, if there is a state that exists then by definition there are millions of people who thoroughly endorse the initiation of force. So, I’m not sure what it would mean to say what you’re saying. Caller: Alright, so let’s imagine that we live in an anarchist society and that there’s no state. You are morally obliged, it is immoral for you to steal from someone else? Stef: In a free society, absolutely, stealing is immoral. Caller: Is stealing not immoral if we’re living in an unfree society? So, if we have a state and the state steals from everyone, is it still immoral to steal? Stef: Well, if you’re concerned about the morality of stealing, why wouldn’t you go and talk to the state who’s doing the vast majority of the stealing? Why would you focus on a podcaster? I’m just kind of curious about this. Why focus on me as an individual if the state is doing the vast majority of stealing? And the reason I’m saying all of this is that, it is wrong to destroy people’s property. However, if they kidnap you and lock you in a basement are you justified in breaking down the door of the basement in order to escape? See, you’re lecturing the guy down in the basement, who is locked in the basement, you’re lecturing him and saying,”but you cannot destroy property even if you’ve been locked in the basement! It’s immoral to break down someone’s door, to break their window!” So, why are you not talking to the kidnappers rather than the guy locked up? I’m just kind of confused. Caller: I’m just generally interested in your position on immigration. I’m not lecturing you as if you’re the cause of statism and all evil in the world. Stef: But, you started with an anarchist society. Of course, if we live in a free society and people in general recognize that the initiation of force is wrong and theft is wrong, of course it’s absolutely immoral to steal. And look, in a free society, what the hell would I care who lives where? And also, even if I did care, what conceivable mechanism would be put in place to enforce my particular preferences? There would not be this giant apparatus of the state controlling human movement. So, in a free society of course you should not initiate the use of force and *moving* is not the initiation of force. So, I’ve said that repeatedly and I don’t see how that would be a violation of any principles that I have put forward in the past. Caller: Okay, so in a free society or an unfree society, the same actions of the same principles hold in both places, right? Stef: Absolutely not. They absolutely do not. And I have said this so many times, you have to have worked fairly hard to miss it I’m afraid. Of course the same moral standards don’t apply to a statist society as they do to a free society. Caller: But, it seems like things like rape are always wrong. It doesn’t matter if there is institutionalized rape of any thing like that. Stef: No, listen, we can’t bring rape into this because that is a moral crime that can never be justified, but you can steal something back that’s been stolen from you. Caller: I don’t think that would still fall under the definition of stealing. Stef: No, I understand all of that. Just for those who are dead set against understanding what I have said repeatedly and clearly is that when you are in a statist environment ethics do not apply because you are in a situation of coercion. Half of your property is going to be taken from you by force, your children are usually going to be forced to go into government schools, or you are at least forced to pay for those government schools, which result in massive amounts of indoctrination. Your property is not your own because you have to rent it by paying property taxes or they’ll take it away from you.Your productivity and your life and your labor and the productivity of your future life and labor of your children are all stolen from by the government to borrow money collateral from their future productivity. Your money is not your own because you can take it out of the bank put it under your mattress only for the invisible government elves of inflation to steal it from you repeatedly, so you are in a situation of near universal compulsion when you are a basal of the state. So, when you come to me and say, ‘Well, what moral rules apply when you’re dealing with the state?’ — I say, as I’ve said a million times before, the answer to that would be: none. Because you are a victim and are encased and are enclosed in a situation of near universal compulsion and coercion, moral rules that would apply to a situation of choice do not apply. Caller: You still think that there are moral rules that dictate respect for one another right? Stef: In situation of choice, absolutely. Morality is universal. Morality does not apply when you are in a situation of coercion. So, this is an extreme example, if someone has a gun to your head, what is the moral thing to do? If someone has a gun to your head and says, ‘shoot that cat.’ What is the moral thing to do? Caller: Well, I don’t believe in animal rights, I think you can kill the cat regardless. Stef: Okay, if someone says, ‘shoot that homeless man.’ What is the moral thing to do? Caller: I think you’re obliged not to shoot the homeless man. Stef: That is the wrong answer. Morally, there is no moral thing to do. When you have a gun to your head, choice and all of that is out the window. If we’re going to have moral sensitivity to any situation, we reserve our moral condemnation for the man who has a gun to someone’s head, not to what that panicked, freaked out human being does in a moment extremity. Do you see? You’re jumping over the guy who has got the gun to your head and you’re trying to lecture the guy who has a gun to his head. I don’t reserve my moral lecturing to the guy with a gun barrel to the head, I reserve my moral lecturing to the guy with the gun. (From Podcast 3123 Sexual Market Value Call-In Show)

To preface, I am taking a complete Devil's Advocate position. Although no liberal in my encounters has made this argument and not sure if they would even connect this dot, it came to my mind and wanted to be well prepared in advanced in case this argument comes up and figure out how to rebut it with strong, consistent arguments. I imagine one day a liberal to come and argue....hey... you want to lift bans on guns, which can be used dangerously, so why not lift bans on immigration since only some immigrants are dangerous. Is there a equivilency to argue here? How would one counter?

Some of Stefan's podcasts talk about how Conspirists actually serve the Establishment better than the cause they claim to serve. It struck me but the more I pondered it, themore it really rings true. The 9/11 Truthers really busy themselves trying to prove something that even with the best evidence....does nothing because all the players already ensconsed themselves in 'legal loopholes' that the average citizen would spend a lifetime and fortune unravelling with no progress. Anyway, my friend came from the left and still has some residual habits leftover. Her hubby is Russian and I think still traumatized by the Communist regime and what I perceived as healthy skepticism is not, instead it's complete redundant, OCD conspiracy. they are a bit older (in their mid/late 50s) and only converted to Libertarianism in the last decade or so, so I wouldn't expect her to be (or anyone to be) a purist of sorts but still...I guess I expected the wisdom of self-awareness at that age. EVERY election her 'assessment' of the candidates are the same. Now, Trump is the Establishment's chosen man to deal with the economic crash. Now it's funny because she only stated that after he is the clear projected nominee. I threw some of Stefan's predictions at her early on and she brushed me off as if she was too busy with more important things. But now that 'retrospect' gives us all perfect vision, she is SURE he is part of the establishment. ugh. Like there is no wiggle room. No room to contemplate the vantages he brings. My healthy skepticism is like...ok...he totally could be but it's not like there aren't other factors to consider that he might be the real deal (albeit now a politician) but moreso than the rest. It's just a bit frustrating and more accurately disappointing, since she is a dear friend of mine who has shared many philosophical disussions and I still continue but ...you know how it is. But seriously.... the guy gives up his already busy lifestyle in making millions/billions to do shit work of 'serving the public' and ok.... so he hooks up some of his buddies..... what will he get out of it. MORE fame? MORE money? This ''he's a narcissist' can only carry on so far. I think the dude knows he has more money than god...not more than the Rothchilds but more than enough to make him feel large and in charge... now Hillary has ONLY used politics to make herself more money and more fame and when people put them in the same categor I get so annoyed...like pissed! So this wasn't a question, more of a rant/sharing so if anyone has more to add, please feel free.

The US presidential race has been amazing so far. It's the most entertaining thing on television right now and I can't help but wonder what future campaigns will look like after Trump. What will the next guy have to bring to the table in order to top this one?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-idUSKCN0YN35S

Found this blog post online and wanted to ask American FDR listeners what they thought of it (I'm in Australia); the author claims that predictions of a close election are groundless and we are about to witness a pro-Trump landslide. Are his facts accurate, his reasoning plausible? The original blog post is here: https://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2016/05/04/destruction-of-nate-silver/ Destruction of Nate Silver Why aren’t you guys quoting Nate Silver anymore? Because he’s a crock. He hasn’t been ‘mistakenly’ wrong. He has been wrong again, and again, and again.Check it out. Everyone is going to be looking at the Trump vs. Clinton general election from the prism of 2000 battleground. “First, let us give these states to Clinton, those states to Trump, and focus on the one or few battleground states.” 2000 was close because both candidates sucked. Gore? Bush Jr.? 2004 was also close because both candidates sucked. Bush Jr.? Kerry? 2008 was completely misread by people since 2006 was misread by people. Democrats won control of the House in 2006 due to conservative districts punishing Republican GW Bush Administration by voting for the Democrat. After all, Obama campaigned on lower taxes, stronger military, etc. Carville hilariously wrote a book saying that there would be 40 more years of Democratic control. 2012, you have Obama vs Romney, a terribel(sic.) candidate. Here is why 2016 won’t be ‘close’ in the perspective of 2000 type ‘battleground’ scenarios and ‘ground game’ crap. First, I think we are in a Re-Alignment. I know this is said every election, but we are due for one. Liberal and Conservative alignment is dead. What is happening is a Globalist vs Nationalist alignment. Republicans would be very smart to have Trump help undergo the alignment of Republicans into Nationalists. The Democrats, especially with their super-delegate bullshit, are delaying their inevitable re-alignment into a Globalist Party. They will get there, but it may be a shellacking for a general election or two in order to get it. Second, most people reading this site have never seen a true landslide election. The strangest general election ever was Carter’s. Reagan and Nixon won 49 states in two of their elections. The point is that the 2000-ish ‘this is going to be CLOSE and battleground states OMG’ type thinking may not apply here. It could very well be a blowout. Trump, like Reagan and Nixon, will get Democrat votes. Laffer, from the infamous Laffer’s Curve, predicts Republican candidate to win 47 states. He predicts this because he has seen Nixon and Reagan elections because in those cases the Democratic Party put up a ‘machine candidate’ who just royally sucked. Hillary Clinton royally sucks. I think she is the worst (electoral wise) candidate the Democrats could have chosen. They could have put in anyone else. Third, Hillary Clinton will be the first time we have ever had a female Presidential candidate. How will people respond? I do not think they will respond well. So many women do not want a female president. We have had two instances of female VP picks. Mondale in 1984 (lost 49 states) and McCain in 2008 (big loss). Cruz had Fiorina as a VP pick before Indiana primary and Cruz got blown out. Inside the beltway thinking says it is good to put up female VP candidates, but the public doesn’t seem to agree. Based on this, a main female presidential candidate will likely be blown out. Fourth, Hillary Clinton has the most baggage I’ve ever seen a political candidate have. It goes beyond the emails and money cheating. I am talking Monica Lewinsky and all the other bimbo eruptions. Many young people did not live through that. They will be shocked that Hillary Clinton stuck by and allowed Bill Clinton to humiliate her again and again. I expect young feminists to vote against Hillary Clinton because of that. Fifth, Hillary Clinton is seen as ‘status quo’. With so many Americans upset at the direction the country is going (polling wise), I think this will be an anti-status quo election. Sixth, this is extremely important and will not be mentioned anywhere. Pundits think Hillary Clinton is ‘popular’ because Bill Clinton was ‘popular’. The truth was that Bill Clinton was never popular. Did you know that Bill Clinton never won a majority of the vote in either the 1992 or 1996 elections? He won majority of electoral college votes, but he couldn’t get the majority of the popular vote. In 1996, he got 49% of the vote. In 1992, he got 42% of the vote. This happened because of a third party candidate called Perot who got, astonishingly, 20% of the vote in 1992. Seventh, the pundits will have tunnel vision because they believe that unfavorable ratings are equal. They are not. Most presidential candidates try to appear as the hero. Trump, in a most brilliant move, is trying to appear as the villain. This is why the media cannot stop reporting on what he says. It is why he loves being the ‘great villain’ with GOP against him, conservative pundits against him, Democrats against him, etc. The more Trump is attacked, the stronger he gets. Trump isn’t running as a hero or as a moral saint. This is why his unfavorables are so high but he keeps winning elections. In other words, I think Hillary’s unfavorable numbers doom her but Trump’s unfavorable numbers boost him. Trump isn’t seen by his supporters as a candidate, he is seen as a murder weapon. The supporters wish to use Trump to murder the political class and destroy them as they believe they have been destroyed by their policies. In 2020, when Trump runs for re-election, Trump will reverse this and run as the hero which will leave the 2020 candidate in the dust acting like he (and it will be a male Democratic candidate in 2020) prepared to go ‘more villain’ to answer 2016’s surprising Trump win. Trump will play the devil in 2016, the angel in 2020.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/us/politics/ted-cruz.html So it appears that Cruz has ended his bid for for the 2016 Republican Nomination. I guess this means we're gonna see Trump vs Hilary as many had been predicting.

Watching the pretend moral hysteria erupting after a group of Marxist-motivated, George Soros-funded Bernie Sanders supporters shut down a Donald Trump rally in Chicago by threatening and committing crimes against peaceful Donald Trump supporters is truly a gruesome spectacle that sets stage for an ever-escalating cycle of violence – unless it is interrupted, exposed, and thoroughly repudiated. That is my job, and that is your job as well. Do not fail civilization, do not fail reason, do not fail peace, do not fail the future. Do not fail yourself. Freedomain Radio is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by signing up for a monthly subscription or making a one time donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate Sources http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2835847/ https://www.aei.org/publication/terrorists-have-no-geneva-rights/ https://www.lawfareblog.com/well-known-targeting-operations-osama-bin-laden-anwar-al-aulaqi http://217.218.67.231/Detail/2015/10/23/434680/Hillary-Clinton-war-crimes-Libya- http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/trump-s-muslim-bashing-and-hillary-clinton-s-hypocrisy/ http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2015/07/23/under-obama-blacks-are-worse-off--far-worse-n2028985/page/full http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/06/12/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/obama-adminstration-guilt_b_8916380.html http://phys.org/news/2014-11-disparity-tax-paid-women-men.html http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2013/12/19/romney-was-wrong-about-the-47-percent-the-problem-is-much-worse/#5d2694d46c1f

Sources: http://www.untruthaboutdonaldtrump.com MP3: http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/3178/the-untruth-about-donald-trump Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/stefan-molyneux/fdr-3178-the-untruth-about-donald-trump Since 1988, Donald Trump has been discussed as a potential United States presidential candidate, but when he officially announced his candidacy on June 16, 2015 the mainstream media refused to believe it. Over the next many months, Donald Trump would be attacked and criticized by the media – but were these criticisms legitimate? What is the Untruth About Donald Trump? 0:43 - Donald Trump’s Strategy 3:42 - Mainstream Media On Donald Trump 5:25 - Trump Isn’t a Serious Candidate! 6:44 - He Won’t File His Election Papers – Ignore Him! 8:52 - Illegal Immigration, Border Wall, Rape and Crime 16:18 - Univision, NASCAR, ESPN and Macy’s “Dump” Trump? 18:22 - Is John McCain a War Hero? 21:52 - Was Trump a Draft-Dodger? 23:40 - Megyn Kelly, Rosie O’Donnell and the War on Women 27:18 - Blood coming out of her wherever… 28:55 - The Truth About The Bankruptcies 32:18 - The Bible Gotcha! 33:39 - Muslim Celebrations on September 11th 35:52 - Did Trump Mock a Disabled Reporter? 37:25 - Muslim Immigration Ban 43:17 - Do Americans Support Trump’s Muslim Immigration Ban? 44:38 - Muslim Databases? 46:33 - Employing Illegal Immigrants? 48:20 - Vladimir Putin 50:09 - Anti-Semitic Comments 51:26 - Comparisons to Adolf Hitler 54:57 - Campaign Event Protestors 56:28 - Old Joke About Dating His Daughter 57:10 - Saturday Night Live 58:09 - Trumps Inheritance and Wealth 59:06 - Donald Isn’t Rich Enough to Fund His Campaign 1:01:21 - Jeb Bush’s Personal Immigration Connection 1:01:54 - Gun Control in Paris 1:02:46 - Don’t Trust Trump With the Nuclear Codes! 1:03:35 - Hillary Clinton’s ISIS Recruitment Video Claim 1:04:10 - Close Down The Internet? 1:05:00 - Carly Fiorina: Look at That Face! 1:05:48 - Hillary Got Schlonged 1:06:13 - Go After Terrorists Families 1:07:00 - George W. Bush Kept Us Safe 1:07:50 - He’s a Rapist 1:08:30 - Deportation Force 1:09:31 - The “Donald Trump is a Hillary Clinton Plant” Conspiracy 1:09:53 - Campaign Finance Hypocrisy 1:10:50 - Oprah as Vice President? 1:11:08 - Donald Trump is Batman Freedomain Radio is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by signing up for a monthly subscription or making a one time donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate Get more from Stefan Molyneux and Freedomain Radio including books, podcasts and other info at: http://www.freedomainradio.com

He said in his infowars interview that he agrees with libertarians on a lot of issues, but re-asserts that America needs to use its muscles to defend itself right now. I found myself wondering if he would agree to weaken state control over the economy after America is "great again". Has he been invited? It's worth a shot one way or another.

Has Donald Trump ever rescinded his strong opinions on that Ed Snowden should be killed by the American government for revealing private documents? Does anybody still remember him saying that? Does anybody agree or disagree with Trump? Ever since he entered the Presidential Race, this has been on my mind. So let's discuss it. Here's the news article. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/2/donald-trump-edward-snowden-kill-traitor/. Donald Trump has said things like this repeatedly in public, on Fox News he said, "You know there is still a thing called execution". This is all back in 2013 and Donald Trump hasn't touched the subject since (correct me if I am wrong). What are your thoughts?

Every "offensive" remark that Donald Trump has made has been intentionally offensive, to incite rage into a very insignificantly small minority, with the sole purpose of gaining media coverage. Donald Trump said, at his most recent New Hampshire speech, "How many cameras are lit, yeah there's a lot of them. Every time I speak now, it's on live television. You know why? It's a very simple business. Ratings! If I didn't get ratings these cameras would not be on. Okay? They would not be on." So when you hear Donald Trump make silly remarks that seem to invoke intense emotional responses in relatively insignificant vocal minorities, I want people to know exactly why that is happening, and that it is totally calculated and intentional. These insignificant vocal minorities are being used as pawns. EDIT: If you haven't seen the new South Park episode, it couldn't have come at a more perfect time. It's about how absurd political correctness has become in this country. Donald Trump is going to be the Republican nominee... and if the Democratic party gifts him the opponent of Hilary Clinton, who he will absolutely destroy, then he is going to be America's next president. You've been warned. I hope he doesn't totally fuck up foreign policy, although he likely will... In that South Park episode, Tom Brady was identified as the ideal for how to manage public scrutiny. Deny involvement and claim hypocrisy on those who rightfully accuse him of wrongdoing. Today, Donald Trump announced that Tom Brady has official endorsed his presidential campaign. I can't make this shit up.

...and, "Donald Trump's Immigration Policy: An Honest Conversation." Some of these things are covered in a few other forum threads, so please excuse the uncited references. I am a Philosopher King donor, who has donated almost a thousand dollars to this conversation. I am close to asking for my money back. I listened to their recent podcast, "Donald Trump's Immigration Policy: An Honest Conversation," and felt angry and frustrated at the rightward, Hoppean turn the conversation took. They seemed to paint almost all Mexican ("illegal") immigrants with the same broad brush. "They come from a society that inflicts abuse on their children!" "They don't peacefully parent their kids and grow up all screwed up!" There are people in the US like that! What am I supposed to do, advocate for a phalanx of border guards at the state border to keep North Carolinians from "invading" my state? If not, why not? Because the line on a map is thicker? As an anarchist, the only borders I respect are property lines. Private property lines. Don't people own the land on the other side of the Rio Grande? (Hey, that rhymes!) Or is the whole premise of "border security" that they outsource that power the government? Is that it? I think Mike mentioned that the US government should still obey the immigration laws in this country. Even if those laws are consummately unconstitutional? The US Constitution only give the federal government the power over natualization. Immigration was originally left to the states. (I have a problem with that as well, but that's another matter.) The US government usurped this power with the Page Act of 1875, as a means of stemming the tide of Chinese "taking American jobs." (Some things never change, unfortunately.) Mexicans (or other immigrants) do not "take American jobs." They do not belong to Americans, they belong to the employers. The employers can (or, at least, should) give those jobs to whomever the employer wants. I also felt angry when I realized that they were very supportive of Trump's policy on this. So, let me get this straight... Ron Paul, no, Donald Trump, Hell Yeah! I felt angered when Stef mangled people in this conversation who dared to say that Dr. Paul should be commended for his support of freedom-oriented legislation, and may even be voted for. (Yes, we all know that voting doesn't solve anything.) But Trump, who isn't freedom-oriented on pretty much anything, gets drooled over by Stef and the gang? I'm curious as to the rationale. (Legitimately. I really can't put the proper tone in a written forum post.) Is it because, unlike Ron Paul, Donald Trump doesn't even give the pretense of being a libertarian? Is that it? Yes, I know that no one of the Freedomain Radio staff would officialy support the Donald politically (Stef can't- he's Canadian), but still... I would advise you to please not fall into the same trap I'm trying to avoid- seeing people as homogeneous. I understand that not all migrants are sympathetic, hard-working, conscientious people, any more than they are all money-grubbing, welfare-statist, child-beating, irrational religionists. I don't think any of us are asserting that. However, you know that national "border security" and immigration policies don't work on a case-by-case basis. It winds up being, "ship alla them Moo-slum sand niggers'a right back whur they came frum!" Or worse, as a local radio talk show host said about people fleeing Cuba a few years back, shoot to kill on sight. Which brings me to the "European Migration Crisis" podcast... A lot of the cultural invasion topics from the Trump Conversation podcast were brought up here, with the subsequent trepidations from me. However, I noted, with some dismay, that Stef didn't address the 800-Pound Gorilla in the Room... the Gun in the Room. Another poster on another forum topic addressing this mentioned this, but for those who haven't read it, let me say it. These diparate people from across the Middle East didn't, en masse, get up one fine, peaceful day in Syria (or Afghanistan) and say to themselves, "You know, Syria is great and all, but you know who needs themselves some Syria? Portugal!" They are fleeing these areas because these European citizens supported their governments' involvement in the War on Terror and have sent some of their fellow citizens there to bomb, shoot, and irradiate these Middle Easterners' families and friends, and depose their leaders. Another governmental program that is attracting those people to Europe is the welfare states. Stef discussed this at length on the podcast, and I commend him on this. But reforming (or, preferably, eliminating) the welfare state is the more humane solution to this problem, not shipping them back to a literal war zone or killing them if they refuse. That's what they're there for! They could have met that fate if they'd just stayed where they were. Bottom line, I don't seem to understand the whole issue, but I have some ideas. The best way I think to handle the problem (as far as anyone rational can influence the government) is: end the War on Terror, eliminate welfare and other unconstitutional benefits for non-citizens, and inform these refugees (or "illegal immigrants,"* or whatever you want to call them) that they are on their own. In a truly free area, there would be no honey to attract redistributionist people and all the land would be owned by individuals or organizations, who would be tasked with keeping tresspassers "off'n their propertah." As far as those who are already here, keep anyone you like off your property for any reason you like, but whomever anyone else allows on their land, or hires, or sells to is none of your goddamned business. (As least as far as government force is concerned.) By the way, Stef mentioned that the best thing for these refugees is to stay and fight where they are. All I have to say is, Anne Frank didn't. Sigmund Freud didn't. Albert Einstein didn't. The von Trapps didn't. And most importantly, Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich von Hayek didn't. They knew a sinking ship when they saw it and, like good and prolific rats, got while the gittin' was good. (Yes, I know these people aren't exactly modern intellectuals steeped in Western Civilization and classical liberalism, but their situation is similar.) I intend to do the same thing. Those people in the Middle East aren't exactly fighting an intellectual war. They're fighting the 3rd US Marine battalion- with guns, and drones, and Hellfire missiles, and tanks, and depleted uranium ordinance. please help me *I call them, "unauthorized movers," like someone going from Montana to Colorado, or Ontario to Alberta. What's the difference?