Hey guys, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgO89b3ZoiE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUC3L8QaxqEGUiBC252GHy3wAt 32:15 Stefan introduced a new principle, the 'Non-Sadistic-Principle', which says 'torturing animals is bad because it is unnecessary suffering'. But I am confused as to what the philosophical grounding is for this, as it is not covered in Stefan's 'UPB' and to me sounds like utilitarian thinking since it is concerned with minimizing suffering as opposed to honouring the Non-Aggression-Principle. If animals do not have self ownership can't we torture them as we wish (assuming we own them, not someone else.) Anything else would be to claim positive obligations (which as we know from UPB, cannot exist) or suggest the animal had self-ownership, which would mean that full veganism would presumably be imperative, and holding pets being kidnapping. If anyone can help me out with this I'd appreciate it. Can anyone explain to me the proof of this NSP?K