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Hi @Add984 (In short: I think the human mind is fully primed, we know enough to transition into a full-fledged free society in some parts of the world...the rest is going to fall in line, can be shown a good example for their likely, future joining. It's just, no one society is "intelligent"/"got the balls" to pay the otherwise very high price of initial investment for a gargantuan and lasting return/strong inoculation against misery in general. All this multiple century long postponing is taking an ever increasing toll, raising the price if not bust, the first to leap will definitely have to pay. It's what we currently have to work with. Nothing good or bad about it. It's just, it is.) Now, can I be "cheeky" and ask you to answer a few, really simple (yeah, right) questions in regards to your poll/post? 'How will a free society come about?' 0. Is De facto always preferable (objectively) to De jure if free-will is preferable on the long run? 1. Why hasn't it? (soooo much groundwork has been done, been available for soooo long, wh.. how it hasn't... ?) 2. For how long would it last if we had achieved it yesterday? Why? What would it take? 3. What's the difference in the underlying principles between the fall of ANY statist society and the breakdown of ANY family unit? 4. Can we use things like "how many people from those losing weight do keep it off forever", to gauge the level of a society's preparedness in regards to deferral of gratification, intelligence put to productive use, keeping to principles? 5. If we replaced our society's main focus/our current guiding principle (whatever it might be) with the unapologetic and dedicated striving for the wellbeing of our children, looking at maximising their present (ought to) and future prosperity... How'd that affect our society's approach to freedom in general? Thanks, Barnsley