Stefan Molyneux Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Sources http://www.stopshrinks.org/articles/op-ed_hoeller_8-29-03.htm http://ssristories.com/index.php?p=celebrity http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42930-2002May6?language=printer http://www.stopshrinks.org/reading_room/frame_docs/outstand.html http://www.oikos.org/biopsychiatry.htm http://www.oikos.org/childrenritalin.htm http://www.sntp.net/fda/fda_prozac.htm http://www.sntp.net/fda/breggin_drug_industry.htm http://www.madinamerica.com/madinamerica.com/Anatomy%20of%20an%20Epidemic.html http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/pi/ppf/pub-psyc.html http://www.astraeasweb.net/politics/badpsych.html http://www.naturalnews.com/011353.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psychiatry http://www.omsj.org/issues/new-reports-cast-further-doubt-on-psych-drugs http://books.google.ca/books?id=QYrOzq2QiXgC&lpg=PA38&ots=bOqjRyi_dP&dq=psychiatry%20follow%20the%20money&pg=PA5#v=onepage&q&f=false http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/health/policy/06doctors.html?_r=1 http://www.ehow.com/list_7453607_three-pay-mental-health-care.html http://www.ehow.com/list_6729348_government-pay-mental-health-care_.html http://www.sntp.net/null1.htm http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/women-and-prescription-drug-use_n_1098023.html http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/healthcare/story/2011-11-16/Report-1-in-5-of-US-adults-on-behavioral-meds/51241236/1 http://www.addictionbyprescription.com/facts.html http://www.drugawareness.org/recentcasesblog/ssris-soldiers-one-of-six-prescribed-ssris-iraqafghanistan http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1812055,00.html http://www.antipsychiatry.org/schizoph.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Sebastian Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Hell yeah! As someone who was drugged for about a year and a half with Ritalin, I am personally touched by your making this one. I can't wait to see a DRO society where such parents are actually brought to justice in terms of compensation costs, having to pay for therapy and damages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurbsoldier Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 glad and thankful you provided those references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssyrianRebel1 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I posted this in the youtube video, but I feel it's better placed here on the forum. I have a deeply personal experience with this subject. 2 years ago I went through what is described as a "manic episode" culminating into a one night where I had a psychotic break (I experienced hallucinations and the line between reality and fantasy had been blurred to the point of not existing - indescribably terrifying I can assure you). My family was understandably shocked (happened in the middle of the night, they called the police). I was brought in under involuntary treatment I was so heavily drugged that I have practically no memory of my first week in the mental ward. But after I gained some semblance of conscious thought I realized the hellish situation that I awoke to. I became obsessed with finding out what happened, and how to get out of the prison like environment (Live in Canada, so it was a gov funded hospital). I later found out (after maybe 3 days of asking everyone, staff / patients / family) that I had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder It's a lifelong condition characterized by swings between mania (highs) and depression (lows). Having been a psychology student at the time / having an idea of the non-concrete nature of psychiatric diagnosis, I did not the permanence of the condition. I actively worked to rebuild my conscious thought process (it was fogged with over emotive states / powerful psychotropic medication), in a sort of self-CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy). Of course I spoke to the psychiatists / therapists But they were convinced of my diagnosis, so their help was geared towards treatment / explaining of my "permanent" disorder. After I eventually was deemed "mentally fit" (which took about 2 more weeks - not fun I assure you), I was released to voluntary out-patient care. It was at this time when I began to ween myself off the drugs I was taking, and worked on self-knowledge to a greater degree. After about 3 months I was completely off the medication, and symptom free, with no"lapses" It greatly helped that I had family and friends who supported my decision, though of course they thought I could always fall back on "conventional" medicine if it didn't work (thankfully that didn't happen). This show has been a great help, and I appreciate all the work you're doing Stefan, I will continue to donate to the show as long as it exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metric Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Impressive video -- a more accurate title might have been "~95% of psychiatry is a pernicious pseudoscience." I admit this probably wouldn't generate as many hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 After I eventually was deemed "mentally fit" (which took about 2 more weeks - not fun I assure you), I was released to voluntary out-patient care. It was at this time when I began to ween myself off the drugs I was taking, and worked on self-knowledge to a greater degree. After about 3 months I was completely off the medication, and symptom free, with no"lapses" It greatly helped that I had family and friends who supported my decision, though of course they thought I could always fall back on "conventional" medicine if it didn't work (thankfully that didn't happen). Thanks for sharing your story here. I'm really sorry to hear you were kidnapped and drugged. I felt angry reading that the psychiatrists and therapists were claiming it was a permanent condition. It's very brave of you to have taken matters in to your own hands, kudo's for that. Something like a psychotic break sounds very terryfying, I hope you'll never experience that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasMe Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 After I eventually was deemed "mentally fit" (which took about 2 more weeks - not fun I assure you), I was released to voluntary out-patient care. It was at this time when I began to ween myself off the drugs I was taking, and worked on self-knowledge to a greater degree. After about 3 months I was completely off the medication, and symptom free, with no"lapses" It greatly helped that I had family and friends who supported my decision, though of course they thought I could always fall back on "conventional" medicine if it didn't work (thankfully that didn't happen). Thanks for sharing your story here. I'm really sorry to hear you were kidnapped and drugged. I felt angry reading that the psychiatrists and therapists were claiming it was a permanent condition. It's very brave of you to have taken matters in to your own hands, kudo's for that. Something like a psychotic break sounds very terryfying, I hope you'll never experience that again. Huge hugs AR1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andersfilosof Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 My mom is a "schizophrenic" and I can personally verify based on her behavior that she is in a FAR worse state after years of terrible medications like Haldol, Zyprexa, Lithium, etc. Wheras before she was a delusional religious fanatic, now she's more like a robot unable to feel human emotion - you can hear it in her voice. When my grandmother originally explained schizophrenia to me several years ago, the whole idea sounded very strange to me.... I'll be showing this video to my grandmother and my guess is that she's going to get very defensive when these topics are brought up, because if there is no scientifically verifiable physical manifestation then it means her parenting is responsible for such a mentally unhealthy person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 My mom is a "schizophrenic" and I can personally verify based on her behavior that she is in a FAR worse state after years of terrible medications like Haldol, Zyprexa, Lithium, etc. Wheras before she was a delusional religious fanatic, now she's more like a robot unable to feel human emotion - you can hear it in her voice. When my grandmother originally explained schizophrenia to me several years ago, the whole idea sounded very strange to me.... I'll be showing this video to my grandmother and my guess is that she's going to get very defensive when these topics are brought up, because if there is no scientifically verifiable physical manifestation then it means her parenting is responsible for such a mentally unhealthy person. Man, so sorry to hear that. On the one hand that you were brought up by a violent religious fanatic, but also that she's been so sedated by drugs. Which surely wouldn't help if you ever wanted to talk things over with her.Apart from if your mother was correctly labeled schizophrenic, I want to direct you to my thread discussing physical properties of mental illness: Biology and mental disorders? It seems there are behavioral and physical symptoms that co-occur in schizophrenia and which are not solely the effect of drugs. Even though drugs are able to dampen delusional thought and hallucinations, they are not at all a cure. They actually do hasten the decline in brain matter that was already present. What's far more promising is saving the schizophrenic's mental functions by targeted mental and social exercise ('use it or lose it'). Talk therapy might be helpful in disentangling childhood trauma that led to the disorder and managing the psychotic symptoms.I highly encourage everyone to actually look up above sources, look at further evidence of either side and make up your own mind. Psychiatry does a lot of harm to people, but that doesn't imply that mental disorders and their characteristics aren't real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scot Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 The podcast is just brilliant, as usual, and really hit home for me. The glaring injustice of the branding and doping of dissidents of any stripe, when the society they inhabit is a masterpiece of insanity-causing unfairness and incoherence and jungle of special treatments on all levels, is never addressed and never included in the standard diagnoses. It's a given that society as it is, is the standard to which everyone must accomodate. The satanic cruelty is, that it is the more perceptive and intelligent of the population who are going to react the most, and draw the most repression. And yeah, I've been there, full of those psychotropic drugs that shut off any sense of being alive, and trying see some light at the end of any tunnels. I much appreciated reading AssyrianRebel1's account of his recent trials in the mental zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 My mom is a "schizophrenic" and I can personally verify based on her behavior that she is in a FAR worse state after years of terrible medications like Haldol, Zyprexa, Lithium, etc. Wheras before she was a delusional religious fanatic, now she's more like a robot unable to feel human emotion - you can hear it in her voice. When my grandmother originally explained schizophrenia to me several years ago, the whole idea sounded very strange to me.... I'll be showing this video to my grandmother and my guess is that she's going to get very defensive when these topics are brought up, because if there is no scientifically verifiable physical manifestation then it means her parenting is responsible for such a mentally unhealthy person. Man, so sorry to hear that. On the one hand that you were brought up by a violent religious fanatic, but also that she's been so sedated by drugs. Which surely wouldn't help if you ever wanted to talk things over with her.Apart from if your mother was correctly labeled schizophrenic, I want to direct you to my thread discussing physical properties of mental illness: Biology and mental disorders? It seems there are behavioral and physical symptoms that co-occur in schizophrenia and which are not solely the effect of drugs. Even though drugs are able to dampen delusional thought and hallucinations, they are not at all a cure. They actually do hasten the decline in brain matter that was already present. What's far more promising is saving the schizophrenic's mental functions by targeted mental and social exercise ('use it or lose it'). Talk therapy might be helpful in disentangling childhood trauma that led to the disorder and managing the psychotic symptoms.I highly encourage everyone to actually look up above sources, look at further evidence of either side and make up your own mind. Psychiatry does a lot of harm to people, but that doesn't imply that mental disorders and their characteristics aren't real. Sure there are probably non drug-related physical brain differences between those with certain mental illnesses and "normal" people, but that's no different in principle to a bruise, scar, cut etc on a physically abused person. The approach taken now in psychiatry if applied to the body would be to label a beaten child with a black eye "black eye syndrome" based on an innate genetic predisposition to swelling of the eye area and to indefinitely prescribe anti-inflammatory drugs with horrible and permanently damaging side-effects. If these so called physical proofs of mental illness exist, then essentially we have objective physical evidence in the brains of mentally ill children that they've been been abused and traumatized, just the same as if there were bruising or cuts on the body - but do we send the parents to jail? Nope, just chemically lobotomize the abuse victims instead. I would make a relatively confident bet (of course I might be 100% wrong) that extreme trauma survivors such as civilians in war, soldiers, people from gang cultures/neighborhoods have different brains as well. That's nothing to do with some innate disease though, it's simply evidence of the brain having been damaged by terrible experiences, and I think it's the same with extreme mental disorders like schizophrenia. I really don't see any grey area in which modern psychiatry is sort of ok sometimes even if mainly bad - except maybe in the most extreme cases where drugs are absolutely needed to prevent somebody hurting themselves or others (which is a very small percentage of the millions put on drugs today) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agalloch Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 My mom is a "schizophrenic" and I can personally verify based on her behavior that she is in a FAR worse state after years of terrible medications like Haldol, Zyprexa, Lithium, etc. Wheras before she was a delusional religious fanatic, now she's more like a robot unable to feel human emotion - you can hear it in her voice. When my grandmother originally explained schizophrenia to me several years ago, the whole idea sounded very strange to me.... I'll be showing this video to my grandmother and my guess is that she's going to get very defensive when these topics are brought up, because if there is no scientifically verifiable physical manifestation then it means her parenting is responsible for such a mentally unhealthy person. Man, so sorry to hear that. On the one hand that you were brought up by a violent religious fanatic, but also that she's been so sedated by drugs. Which surely wouldn't help if you ever wanted to talk things over with her.Apart from if your mother was correctly labeled schizophrenic, I want to direct you to my thread discussing physical properties of mental illness: Biology and mental disorders? It seems there are behavioral and physical symptoms that co-occur in schizophrenia and which are not solely the effect of drugs. Even though drugs are able to dampen delusional thought and hallucinations, they are not at all a cure. They actually do hasten the decline in brain matter that was already present. What's far more promising is saving the schizophrenic's mental functions by targeted mental and social exercise ('use it or lose it'). Talk therapy might be helpful in disentangling childhood trauma that led to the disorder and managing the psychotic symptoms.I highly encourage everyone to actually look up above sources, look at further evidence of either side and make up your own mind. Psychiatry does a lot of harm to people, but that doesn't imply that mental disorders and their characteristics aren't real. Sure there are probably non drug-related physical brain differences between those with certain mental illnesses and "normal" people, but that's no different in principle to a bruise, scar, cut etc on a physically abused person. The approach taken now in psychiatry if applied to the body would be to label a beaten child with a black eye "black eye syndrome" based on an innate genetic predisposition to swelling of the eye area and to indefinitely prescribe anti-inflammatory drugs with horrible and permanently damaging side-effects. If these so called physical proofs of mental illness exist, then essentially we have objective physical evidence in the brains of mentally ill children that they've been been abused and traumatized, just the same as if there were bruising or cuts on the body - but do we send the parents to jail? Nope, just chemically lobotomize the abuse victims instead. I would make a relatively confident bet (of course I might be 100% wrong) that extreme trauma survivors such as civilians in war, soldiers, people from gang cultures/neighborhoods have different brains as well. That's nothing to do with some innate disease though, it's simply evidence of the brain having been damaged by terrible experiences, and I think it's the same with extreme mental disorders like schizophrenia. I really don't see any grey area in which modern psychiatry is sort of ok sometimes even if mainly bad - except maybe in the most extreme cases where drugs are absolutely needed to prevent somebody hurting themselves or others (which is a very small percentage of the millions put on drugs today) I really appreciated your 2 cents here, I find responses to the conflation of Physical Damage and Illness hard to express and your analogies were very helpful to my thinking. The same goes for the prior posts and Stefs excellent Video/Sources! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Sure there are probably non drug-related physical brain differences between those with certain mental illnesses and "normal" people, but that's no different in principle to a bruise, scar, cut etc on a physically abused person. The approach taken now in psychiatry if applied to the body would be to label a beaten child with a black eye "black eye syndrome" based on an innate genetic predisposition to swelling of the eye area and to indefinitely prescribe anti-inflammatory drugs with horrible and permanently damaging side-effects. If these so called physical proofs of mental illness exist, then essentially we have objective physical evidence in the brains of mentally ill children that they've been been abused and traumatized, just the same as if there were bruising or cuts on the body - but do we send the parents to jail? Nope, just chemically lobotomize the abuse victims instead. I would make a relatively confident bet (of course I might be 100% wrong) that extreme trauma survivors such as civilians in war, soldiers, people from gang cultures/neighborhoods have different brains as well. That's nothing to do with some innate disease though, it's simply evidence of the brain having been damaged by terrible experiences, and I think it's the same with extreme mental disorders like schizophrenia. I really don't see any grey area in which modern psychiatry is sort of ok sometimes even if mainly bad - except maybe in the most extreme cases where drugs are absolutely needed to prevent somebody hurting themselves or others (which is a very small percentage of the millions put on drugs today) Yes, agreed. Mental disorders certainly aren't the same thing as purely biological diseases, such as a cancer tumor in the brain, Alzheimer's etc. The analogy to injury by being attacked or neglected, or because of a different traumatic experience (car accidents, death of loved ones etc) is much closer. The brain adapts and reacts to mental injuries in complex ways. Such a reaction may be extreme and get a life of its own, showing up as strong brain abnormalities in for example schizophrenia. Different environmental and perhaps genetic factors can influence outcome, for example stress hormones or toxins in prenatal environment, genetic predisposition to psychosis or depression etc. I'm interested in understanding these processes and what non-drug ways there are to treat mental disorders/injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 ignoring the doctors who told me I had ADD was probably the smarist thing I'v ever done. I'm glad my parents were smart enough not to put me on ritalin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisonline1991 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I know someone who went through almost this exact same "manic episode" Hallucinations and all. This person has been on a bunch of different types of drugs since their episode and swear by them. Do you know why you went through this "manic episode" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew3326 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Man, so sorry to hear that. On the one hand that you were brought up by a violent religious fanatic, but also that she's been so sedated by drugs. Which surely wouldn't help if you ever wanted to talk things over with her. Andersfilosof wrote that his mother was a "delusional religious fanatic", not that she was violent. It's not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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