Stefan Molyneux Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 [View:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFMUeUErYVg] Did you know that 90 years ago, America still had 12 times the murder rate of the United Kingdom? Did you know that criminals using guns are less likely to hurt their victims? Did you know that citizens use guns to protect themselves against criminals over two and a half million times a year? Sources: http://www.fdrurl.com/guncontrol Freedomain Radio is the largest and most popular philosophy show on the web - http://www.freedomainradio.com https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e74hVs96-8ivIItNeC952QcyMG4gYwr6ZqijaJWud3E/edit http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jun/22/inquiry-link-military-veterans-crime http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8422073 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16933812 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02111910?LI=true http://costsofwar.org/article/us-veterans-and-military-families http://www.medicinenet.com/child_abuse/page3.htm http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/03/opinion/la-oe-hymowitz-unmarried-mothers-20120603 http://www.photius.com/feminocracy/facts_on_fatherless_kids.html http://costsofwar.org/article/us-veterans-and-military-families http://freebooks.uvu.edu/SOC1010/index.php/ch21-military-a-criminal.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foozle Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 That must have taken awhile to put together! Well done, I've never heard a stronger case against gun control in my life and I bet pretty much everyone else would say the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerocabin Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Stefan, at 9:20 you misquoted by stating 0.08/100,000, which would be nearly 120 times instead of 12. Here's the line from the source: In 1919 the homicide rate for England and Wales was 0.8 per 100,000 (Archer and Gartner 1984) Then you showed the 1983-1986 UK/US statistic, 0.67/7.59, and said that "after 60 years of increasing gun control, UK murder rates got worse". If you plug in the correct 1919 statistic, UK murder rates improved slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude_Abides Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Hi Stef, great video. You make a very valid point with the historical difference between EU countries and U.S.; e.g. feudal vs frontier. With that in mind, wouldn't U.S. vs Canada be a more fair and relevant comparison than the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazek Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Steff, will you teach your daughter to shoot? If not, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Molyneux Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 Hi Stef, great video. You make a very valid point with the historical difference between EU countries and U.S.; e.g. feudal vs frontier. With that in mind, wouldn't U.S. vs Canada be a more fair and relevant comparison than the UK? Canada is far more influenced by the UK than the US was... I mean, we still have the queen on the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertus Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 But, but... aren't guns just a means to shoot people? Just kidding, outstanding work! You're taking a stand with both feet firmly planted on the right side of the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude_Abides Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 sure, we still have some of the ole colonial ties, but we share a similar history of frontier settlers and have a reasonable amount of gun ownership in the country compared to the UK's (near?) zero. I believe in Canada it is somewhere around 30%. To me it just seems like a more natural comparison as the two countries have more cultral similarities. Also, many people from the left, like Michael Moore, love to point to Canada as some sort of model the U.S. should aspire to. Would be great to have some ammo to shut them up Anyway, just my two bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metric Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Very strong argument, as usual, and expertly delivered. Definitely a long-term reference piece. Another very recent article I liked: http://lewrockwell.com/peters-e/peters-e279.html If guns are bad, how come: All high politicians – including Dear Leader and Gauleiter Bloomberg – are surrounded by heavily armed guards? There is never a mass shooting at a police station? . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan C. Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 School attended by Obama's daughters has armed guards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan C. Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 It can't be emphasized enough that the droves of people who are demanding more gun-control and outright bans only support such things for people who are not part of the State apparatus. They don't oppose violence on principle; they just oppose it when committed by somebody who isn't acting as an agent of the State. It's similar to people who oppse only private slavery, but not public slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Joe Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 I really appreciate the videos you've done in the wake of the Connecticut shootings. It's such a relief to see some perspective among all the sensationalism on the matter. Thanks Stef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Molyneux Posted December 27, 2012 Author Share Posted December 27, 2012 Your support makes it possible thanks Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotDarkYet Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Wow. Just.....wow.... Stef, thank you for this. By the way, your podcasts have been the center of discussion at my workplace during the last few weeks. Everyone that I've shown your stuff to has become a philosophical anarchist. Three new anarcho capitalists have been created in my office this WEEK. You're barre none the best communicator of philosophy that I have seen. (Can't wait for the documentary. I bet it'll also be a knockout. Can't wait to donate again too! As soon as I'm back in America you'll get some of my cash.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Ranvier Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Here's a case where the presence of an armed bystander was able to stop an attempted mass shooting before anyone was killed, including the perpetuator.A Potential Deadly Aurora Movie Massacre In Texas Is Prevented By Concealed Carry Citizen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avarice567 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 So I just got in an argument with a bunch of gun control advocates. I posted this video as evidence. The person I was arguing with responded with, and I paraphrase, "not a reputable source" and "less than stellar analytics." Oh, and the most ridiculous one: "I don't have time to watch a half-hour video." To which I responded, albeit in a much nicer way, "then why the fuck do you bother having an opinion?" I started to notice a trend among these gun control advocates. Their defense mechanisms are so dense that they're incapable of learning. They're general attitude towards my SUBSTANTIATED argument was "That's nice, but how about if we force gun owners to register every bullet fired? And if they don't they suffer fines or jail." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Ruffalo Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 So I just got in an argument with a bunch of gun control advocates. I posted this video as evidence. The person I was arguing with responded with, and I paraphrase, "not a reputable source" and "less than stellar analytics." Oh, and the most ridiculous one: "I don't have time to watch a half-hour video." To which I responded, albeit in a much nicer way, "then why the fuck do you bother having an opinion?" I started to notice a trend among these gun control advocates. Their defense mechanisms are so dense that they're incapable of learning. They're general attitude towards my SUBSTANTIATED argument was "That's nice, but how about if we force gun owners to register every bullet fired? And if they don't they suffer fines or jail." Unless you enjoy arguing with them, this should explain why more than likely, you'll never get anywhere.http://www.csicop.org/si/show/why_bad_beliefs_dont_die/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avarice567 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 One of them actually made a good argument: Which is that Stefan doesn't actually make an causal connections. He simply states statistics and infers correlations. Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan T_ Freeman Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 One of them actually made a good argument: Which is that Stefan doesn't actually make an causal connections. He simply states statistics and infers correlations. Is this true? If you took this one video as the entirety of the argument, then that would be true. However, since Stef has about 2000 hours of additional videos and podcasts, many of which describe how the State always achieves the exact opposite of what it claims, I think he's made the casual connection pretty well elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avarice567 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Specifically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David L Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Relevant chart on America's biggest killers... http://www.infowars.com/americas-biggest-killers-the-chart-anti-gunners-dont-want-you-to-see/print/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan C. Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Obama Opposed Gun Ban Exception to Defend One’s Home As a state senator in Illinois, President Obama opposed legislation providing an exception to handgun restrictions if the weapon was used in the defense of one’s home.Obama’s vote would have maintained the status quo, which made it a violation of municipal gun ban law to use a firearm to save your own life in your own home. But the bill was passed anyway without his support.The vote is a sign of how committed Obama may be to strict gun control measures.The Illinois vote is hardly ancient history, having occurred in 2004 as Obama was running for election to the U.S. Senate. In opposing the measure, Obama lined up well to the left of the mainstream, as the Illinois Senate included 32 Democrats to 26 Republicans but approved the bill by an overwhelming margin and subsequently overrode a veto by then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich.Obama did not participate in the veto override, which occurred in November 2004, likely after Obama had resigned his state Senate seat in order to prepare for his new role in the U.S. Senate.The Illinois legislation was passed after a man who shot a burglar in his home was fined $750 by his town for disobeying its handgun ban. The absurdity and injustice of the situation doesn’t seem to have made much of an impression on Obama.Just eight years earlier, in 1996, Obama answered “Yes” to a survey question asking whether he would support state legislation to “ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.” The Obama 2008 presidential campaign claimed the form had been filled out by an aide who mischaracterized Obama’s position, even though Obama’s handwriting was found on survey. Meanwhile: Obama Signs Bill Giving Him Armed Protection For Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan C. Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 W.H. Releases Letters from Little Kids Pleading for Gun Control "It's a free country but I recommend there needs (to) be a limit with guns," Grant wrote in a letter dated Dec. 17. "Please don't let people own machine guns or other powerful guns like that." . . . "I am writing to ask you to STOP gun violence," wrote Tajeah, a 10-year-old from Georgia. "I am very sad about the children who lost their lives. So, I thought I would write to you to STOP gun violence." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David L Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude_Abides Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 here's more from Ben Swan: http://www.fox19.com/story/20608260/reality-check-an-apples-to-apples-comparison-of-us-and-uk-violent-crime-rates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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