Self-Knowledge seeking hermit asking for advice.

[J. Robles]

Hello all, my name is Juan and this is my first post on myself. I feel weird for being somewhat formal and sounding like I’m declaring myself like someone would for an alcoholics anonymous meeting, but it’s the only way I figured to introduce myself. I'm 22 years old, and have an insatiable addiction to the void of media. I know that I'm responsible for my behavior and that there is no one to blame other than myself for my inactivity for the behavior that I desire, vs. the action taking towards the desires I want in my life. I figured I would give a brief overview of a normal day, and then describe my problem, and then finish up with what it is I want to do and what I need to work on. I would appreciate any comments on anything I have written, even if its criticism in style or grammatical errors.

I know that this community has been extremely helpful in helping me become of my surroundings, but more importantly myself. For the most part, I can't remember most of my childhood, however it feels and continues to be filled with this behavioral response to consume myself and time with media, and by media, sorry for not mentioning it sooner, I mean video games, pornography, TV shows, YouTube videos, etc. Essentially the problem in a nutshell is that for the majority of my day, instead of delving into the aspirations I have in life, or dealing with problems via work or family related, I turn to media as a distraction. So much so that behaviorally, I feel anxious if I get home and decide to go to my room and make a list of things I need to get done. Instead, I will go home and have to watch an hour or two of TV with my uncle. Now I'm certain that this is because I feel that I owe him, and am watching the TV as compensation, because I live with him in his house, dependent on him and feel guilty if I decide to do anything the is of my own volition that allows me to be separate from him. When watching TV, I think of how things could be different. How i could just get my own place, and not have to worry about babysitting him. It’s maybe conditional, because he is the person in my life that I tend to follow in behavior. He has no friends that I know of, he doesn't like talking to people he doesn’t know, and if he does he is awkward, or talks with the neighbors only if they come to him for a conversation and really is only willing to talk about mundane topics such as the weather and the political topics. He is a moral relativist, in that he thinks that there are no absolutes, and the one time I said to him that there are absolutes and tried to prove myself he only repeated himself and ended the conversation with silence, that lasted a while and was ended again with trivial "look how nice the weather is" conversation. There are many things that I don’t know about this man, despite the fact that I have lived with him for almost 15 years. I know that he was married, but don’t know what happened, I was told that he had an affair with my mother, but I never asked either one, etc. While writing this I can’t help feel I have become like him, Although my communications skills have increased dramatically over the past few years, I still am a quiet loaner, that has tended in the past to avoid talking about serious topics (thankfully this has changed due FDR), and still filling my life with the void of media rather than enjoy it responsibly, and take a hold of my own life and aspirations and finally without feeling extreme guilt or anxiety do what I want to do. After watching tv with him I'll go to my room, and say to myself "By golly I don't to be like him" then turn around and whatch countless videos on youtub or play video games to the point where i can barely remember anything of significance. If its not that then its porn, watching series like madmen on netflix, or smoking until i fall asleep, and start anew.

 I know if I read this I'd probably just say, WELL JUST FUCKING DO IT ALREADY THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, MAKE GOALS AND PLANS ON HOW YOU WOULD COME TO ACHIEVE IT. And at times I have, it’s just that I go through withdrawals I guess. This point of the post was written approximately a week ago, and I hadn’t looked at it today. I pretty certain that the main reason to avoid going over my own notes because I’m afraid to see the shell of my life for what it is. I know I have heard the most important step in self-knowledge is recognition of truth. I’m working on it, however I feel like I’m the main character of memento, except I purposefully avoid the knowledge because I’d rather continue living in the safe comatose lifestyle I have had for more 15 years. Just to kind of some it all up, what are some techniques, or any criticisms you guys could offer to help me deal with my own self-knowledge. Any and all referrals to literature, podcasts, or advice would be greatly appreciated too.

Thanks,

 Juan

[ribuck]

Hi Juan,

I know if I read this I'd probably just say, WELL JUST FUCKING DO IT ALREADY THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, MAKE GOALS AND PLANS ON HOW YOU WOULD COME TO ACHIEVE IT

That's the conventional advice, but Stef has a wonderful podcast which shows how that advice ("Just Do It!") misses the point:

[View:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1WC6hNTONg:480:360]

For me, that video was helpful and liberating.

[J. Robles]

 Hey Ribuck,

Thanks for the advice Ribuck. I guess im like a three hundred pound guy asking how to lose weight. So where are you at with your self knowledge, and how have you gotten to where your at? Have you gone to therapy, journaling, etc?

[J. Robles]

 I'll give the video a look over later this evening, I appreciate the link. I would have probably seen tens of different videos to dig this one up. Your advice means a lot, and I appreciate it.

[ribuck]

... So where are you at with your self knowledge ...

Well that's an interesting question! I don't know whether anyone can answer that question. If a person doesn't have much self-knowledge, how would that person be able to know how much self-knowledge they have?

I've never been to therapy, and I don't think I ever would. I'm a do-it-yourself type of guy; I have journaled and I introspect deeply. I find it therapeutic to surround myself with thoughtful people with whom I can discuss things in an informal way.

[J. Robles]

 I'm sorry for the bad question. Tell me if this is an answerable one. How long have you been journaling and introspecting? I am glad you have done some work with yourself. If you dont mind me asking personal question, what is a conclusion or something you have been able to work on succesfully?

 

And how did you go about surrounding yourself with thoughtfull people you can discuss things with, by being open and honest within work/family/going out, or did you find groups like this one and maybe others for in person?

[ribuck]

How long have you been journaling and introspecting?

At this point I should mention that I am in my 50s. I suppose it started in High School, when I became friends with a guy who came from a difficult family background. My own family was warm, loving and supportive, but I was really just coasting, going with the flow. He had a burning thirst for understanding of himself and the world around him, and some of that rubbed off on me.

I've journalled and introspected on and off, with different degrees of intensity, over the years. Sometimes other things (e.g. babies or career) took front stage for a while.

... what is
a conclusion ...

That's interesting, I never assumed there would be (or should be) a conclusion. Isn't the quest for self-knowledge an ongoing lifetime process?

And
how did you go about surrounding yourself with thoughtfull people you
can discuss things with, by being open and honest within
work/family/going out, or did you find groups like this one and maybe
others for in person?

Groups on the internet are great for sharing knowledge, but I'm not very good at using them to discuss ideas. Even though I spend a lot of time on the internet, I much perfer verbal in-person interaction. My favorite group has been a bushwalking club. If you go into the wilderness for a few days with a group of like-minded people, it's easy to get past the superficial chit-chat and into the interesting stuff. And nothing beats the communal cooking-fire in the evenings for a relaxing environment that fosters honest and open interaction.

Another group of people I have found who are generally thoughtful, intelligent and aware are the Bitcoiners.

I think I understand why you're asking me these things, and I'm happy to answer them as best I can. But I'm probably not the best person to be answering them. I think there are many people here whose situation is (or was) closer to yours, and whose insights may be more valuable to you. Perhaps some of them will join this thread.

[Stephen C]

 

 

 I know if I read this I'd probably just say, WELL JUST FUCKING DO IT ALREADY THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, MAKE GOALS AND PLANS ON HOW YOU WOULD COME TO ACHIEVE IT. And at times I have, it’s just that I go through withdrawals I guess.

 

Juan, welcome. Thank you for sharing yourself. 

What I left in the quote above is a fantastic insight on your part. What you would say if you read your own post as someone else. 

I think this may be what is contributing to not achieving what you want. 

I say "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything"

That being said, I know how difficult it is to carve out a new pathway called "You don't have to do anything", especially when there is already a pathway called "JUST FUCKING DO IT" so deeply carved out already. I wish you the very very best, and I'm sorry this is troubling you. 

[ribuck]

I say "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything"

The great thing about this is: when you drop the shackles of "Just fucking do it", you come to realise that there are things you actually want to do and are driven to do, and you will do them. Instead of doing all the time-wasting things as a way of not doing the things you think you should "just fucking do", you can do the things you actually find worthwhile.

[Stephen C]

^^ What he said ^^

[J. Robles]

 

Hey Ribuck,

I want to thank you for being honest with me and replying to my post. I know there are probably a lot of other things you could be doing with your time and it means a lot for you taking your time for me.

On to your post.

"At this point I should mention that I am in my 50s. I suppose it started in High School, when I became friends with a guy who came from a difficult family background. My own family was warm, loving and supportive, but I was really just coasting, going with the flow. He had a burning thirst for understanding of himself and the world around him, and some of that rubbed off on me.

I've journalled and introspected on and off, with different degrees of intensity, over the years. Sometimes other things (e.g. babies or career) took front stage for a while."

I appreciate your helping me put yourself in perspective with a brief bio. I'm sorry that your friend went through such hardships, but I'm glad you have been able to adopt some of his attitudes and use them constructively for yourself.

"That's interesting, I never assumed there would be (or should be) a conclusion. Isn't the quest for self-knowledge an ongoing lifetime process?"

When I mentioned a conclusion, I didn't mean it like the only conclusion. I meant it like say you have come to an epiphany, like I will no longer be passive aggressive towards my lover because its counter intuitive, or something along those lines. Of course there’s no pinnacle of knowledge, because were always adding on top of it surpassing it. But there are moments or ideas where we come to an understanding that for right at this moment it’s something that seems the most right to do, or not do; at that moment, you have concluded to behave or not in a particular manner. Is that an ok explanation?

"Groups on the internet are great for sharing knowledge, but I'm not very good at using them to discuss ideas. Even though I spend a lot of time on the internet, I much prefer verbal in-person interaction. My favorite group has been a bushwalking club..."

This seems like fun. I have never gone bushwalking, or camping in general. I need to try it, probably not anytime soon. Do you have any tips for a beginning camper? I am glad that your bushwalking community and the Bitcoin community are good groups to be in.

"I think I understand why you're asking me these things, and I'm happy to answer them as best I can. But I'm probably not the best person to be answering them. I think there are many people here whose situation is (or was) closer to yours, and whose insights may be more valuable to you. Perhaps some of them will join this thread"

I just want to say thanks for your insight. I don't quite understand why you wouldn't be a great person to talk to, but I understand the age limit and life situational difference. I think your right in that the people who are or have lived a similar lifestyle would be more familiar to communicate with, and I appreciate your advice. But seriously I appreciate your time, and if I don't hear from you again, I hope all the best for you.

Juan

[ribuck]

 

That's interesting, I never assumed there would be (or should be) a conclusion. Isn't the quest for self-knowledge an ongoing lifetime process?

When I mentioned a conclusion, I didn't mean it like the only conclusion. I meant it like say you have come to an epiphany, like I will no longer be passive aggressive towards my lover because its counter intuitive, or something along those lines.

I don't think I've experienced anything that I would describe as an epiphany. Just a gradual refinement of my understanding of life and my attitude towards it. I discovered libertarianism in my teens, and it seemed "obvious" that the initiation of force is wrong and that property should be respected. But it took me another 35 years to make the journey from libertarianism to voluntaryism. I'm a slow learner!

I have always known that spanking is violence, and that it's wrong. But I never expressed that in words until after I heard my sister mention she doesn't use violence on her son. At that point I realised that there was no reason why I should not say that to others too. I suppose that might count as a "mini-epiphany" of sorts.

Something I've become aware of as I go through my fifties is that I'm now slower to pick up new ideas, but I'm better at using the knowledge and wisdom that I've accumulated. This makes evolutionary sense: people need to accumulate knowledge and wisdom before applying it. I'm not just referring to philosophical matters, but also to more mundane things like money management where I feel I was in my 40s before I crossed the divide from "mediocre" to "capable". About time! But like I said, I'm a slow and gradual learner.

As for the high school friend that I mentioned ... he never managed to hold down a job or have a satisfying relationship with a female. At some point he descended into rambling paranoia and was committed to a mental institution where he was treated with drugs and electro-convulsive therapy. A very sad and tragic decline.

As for camping, I don't know if I can make any suggestions other than to join a local club and start doing it. But I feel the activity doesn't become deeply satisfying (on an intellectual/philosophical level) until one starts doing multi-day wilderness trips. Long enough for everyone's preconceived notions of society to be sufficiently distant that they can be put aside for a while.

A wilderness trip is itself a wonderful form of practical anarchy. Sure there's a "leader", but he leads by respect rather than force, and if he loses that respect he knows that the group will follow a different leader. All of the interactions on the trip are peaceful and voluntary. If someone wants you to do something, you don't have to do it and there are no consequences - other than the risk of peaceful ostracism by exclusion from future trips. So, because people enjoy the activity they are incentivised to co-operate.

Anyway Juan, thanks for your kind comments. I hope others will also respond to your original post.

[J. Robles]

 

 

 

 I know if I read this I'd probably just say, WELL JUST FUCKING DO IT ALREADY THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, MAKE GOALS AND PLANS ON HOW YOU WOULD COME TO ACHIEVE IT. And at times I have, it’s just that I go through withdrawals I guess.

 

Juan, welcome. Thank you for sharing yourself. 

What I left in the quote above is a fantastic insight on your part. What you would say if you read your own post as someone else. 

I think this may be what is contributing to not achieving what you want. 

I say "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything"

That being said, I know how difficult it is to carve out a new pathway called "You don't have to do anything", especially when there is already a pathway called "JUST FUCKING DO IT" so deeply carved out already. I wish you the very very best, and I'm sorry this is troubling you. 

 

 

Hey Stephen,

 

So thanks for the reply. I appreciate what you said, "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything". The difference in perspective challenged me a bit at first. When I read it, I thought to myself, well duh that’s common sense stuff like what I said. I had to look at it a couple of times to understand it. The difference from what I can understand is that the way you say it, it is voluntary. The things that I want not only do not have to be sought after, but because there is no aggression of myself feeling like I have to make myself do it, I can without guilt or added pressure seek that which I desire without being so anxious about it. More importantly I ought to not have talked that way to myself. If I had read this like you, and responded the way I did to myself, I would be cruel to that person, and in that case it is me. I need to try to not be so aggressive in my own criticism and self-worth. I hope that makes sense, and more importantly reflects what you said. I appreciate your advice and your willingness to express yourself. It’s something I'll try working on. By repeating "you don't have to do anything" throughout the day whenever I feel anxious, kind of helps calm me down a bit. So I really want to thank you not only for response you gave, but for the actual benefit it has been just from reading your post. I hope all is well for you Stephen.

 

Thanks, Juan

 

[Stephen C]

 

 

 

 

 I know if I read this I'd probably just say, WELL JUST FUCKING DO IT ALREADY THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, MAKE GOALS AND PLANS ON HOW YOU WOULD COME TO ACHIEVE IT. And at times I have, it’s just that I go through withdrawals I guess.

 

Juan, welcome. Thank you for sharing yourself. 

What I left in the quote above is a fantastic insight on your part. What you would say if you read your own post as someone else. 

I think this may be what is contributing to not achieving what you want. 

I say "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything"

That being said, I know how difficult it is to carve out a new pathway called "You don't have to do anything", especially when there is already a pathway called "JUST FUCKING DO IT" so deeply carved out already. I wish you the very very best, and I'm sorry this is troubling you. 

 

 

Hey Stephen,

 

So thanks for the reply. I appreciate what you said, "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything". The difference in perspective challenged me a bit at first. When I read it, I thought to myself, well duh that’s common sense stuff like what I said. I had to look at it a couple of times to understand it. The difference from what I can understand is that the way you say it, it is voluntary. The things that I want not only do not have to be sought after, but because there is no aggression of myself feeling like I have to make myself do it, I can without guilt or added pressure seek that which I desire without being so anxious about it. More importantly I ought to not have talked that way to myself. If I had read this like you, and responded the way I did to myself, I would be cruel to that person, and in that case it is me. I need to try to not be so aggressive in my own criticism and self-worth. I hope that makes sense, and more importantly reflects what you said. I appreciate your advice and your willingness to express yourself. It’s something I'll try working on. By repeating "you don't have to do anything" throughout the day whenever I feel anxious, kind of helps calm me down a bit. So I really want to thank you not only for response you gave, but for the actual benefit it has been just from reading your post. I hope all is well for you Stephen.

 

Thanks, Juan

 

 

Big smile on my face, Juan. I'm glad you find my response useful.

There's one thing I would like to point out or suggest as a possibility from what you said above.

The Part of you that says "JUST FUCKING DO IT!", that's not you. This is something you HAD TO internalize to survive. This Part of you is amazing, and talented and hardworking and does it's best to keep you safe, so I appreciate this Part of you greatly. It wants you to get things done, but it's approach is not effective. It's not an effective parenting or teaching behavior to tell children or students to "JUST FUCKING DO IT". It may seem to work for the parent/teacher in the short term, but it's not an effective long term strategy at all. Perhaps you and this Part can find another way to get things done, but without a doubt this Part is to be well respected and understood. Hopefully that makes some sense. 

Oh yes, thank you Juan. not everything is well for me, but I have a pretty good ratio of wellness going on.  

[J. Robles]

 

Hey Ribuck,

I’m sorry it took me a while to respond, I honestly thought I wrote and replied to you, but I looked today to see no reply so I’m rewriting this letter. I apologize for my lack of follow through.

Now on to your reply, you shouldn’t consider yourself a slow learner. I know I don’t know, and I don’t know what it was like for you in that 35 year gap, however just from a technological aspect I don’t think you might have been exposed to voluntarism as professionally as you might have been experienced to libertarianism. Correct me if I’m wrong, because I’m making assumptions without facts. Either way the important thing is that you’re willing and capable to gradually refine your ideals and that is amazing. Even if it comes to mundane things, as you would note, money management, it’s great that your able to use the knowledge you have and adapt it where if and where it needs it to better yourself and situation.  

I’m glad you have the integrity to speak out against spanking whenever it comes up. That is great that your sister had such an influence on yourself.

I know this might be personal, but in regards to your friend is he still in the institution? I know you might be asking, why the hell you want to know. But I have a friend that had a similar upbringing, and just recently has gone to a mental institution. He is a pretty smart guy, and is still currently working on improving himself, he was self-admitted, and I have high hopes for him to get out. I honestly thought he wouldn’t need to do it, but I was wrong.  We currently talk whenever he has the free chance. It’s just I’m afraid that the institution will inhibit problems rather than help solve them constructively. I have yet to have much experience with mental institutions, so anything you can share would be helpful for me.

Thanks for the camping advice; I’ll have to try like a night or day out before I do a multi-day trip. But it sure sounds like a great time. More importantly it sounds like a great opportunity to meet new people and be intimate with them due to the cooperative nature the trip needs as you have described.

Oh and thanks for saying, “The great thing about this is: when you drop the shackles of "Just fucking do it", you come to realize that there are things you actually want to do and are driven to do, and you will do them. Instead of doing all the time-wasting things as a way of not doing the things you think you should "just fucking do", you can do the things you actually find worthwhile.”

The shackle concept really reinforces your point, and amplifies Stephen’s as well. I am working on it, and I sincerely am grateful with your response. I know that I have a lot of work to do, but your comment has been gratefully appreciated and beneficial and for that I thank you.

Thanks again,

Juan

 

[ribuck]

Thanks for your kind comments, Juan.

Unfortunately I lost contact with the highschool friend many years ago. I've tried to track him down several times, but no-one seems to have any recent news of him. After someone becomes homeless with no contact address, it's easy to lose touch.

I had already lost touch with him once before, then out of the blue he phoned me one day. Unfortunately it was just as a taxi arrived to take me to the airport and I couldn't talk long. No problem, he said, he would phone me again in a couple of days. But I never heard from him again.

Of course I have regretted ever since that I didn't give him the time when he may have needed it. I was flat broke at the time, and my flight was for starting a new job that I had landed in another city, and if I'd missed the flight I couldn't have afforded another ticket, so at the time it seemed logical for me to catch my flight and to talk to him again a couple of days later, but sadly it didn't happen.

I hope your friend's treatment is successful. It can be. I know a doctor who lost confidence in his work ability and stopped turning up to work, then after a while he lost confidence in everything and would not even leave his house. He checked himself into a psychiatric hospital. I could not imagine what the hospital could do that would help him in his situation. And yet, somehow, eight weeks later he came out happy and full of confidence and energy, and resumed a successful career and lifestyle. He was more of an acquaintance than a friend, and I didn't feel comfortable asking him too many detailed personal questions about the treatment, but I found his transformation remarkable. I do think people who admit themselves have an enormously greater chance of a positive outcome than those who are forcibly committed.

[J. Robles]

 

 

 

 

 

 I know if I read this I'd probably just say, WELL JUST FUCKING DO IT ALREADY THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, MAKE GOALS AND PLANS ON HOW YOU WOULD COME TO ACHIEVE IT. And at times I have, it’s just that I go through withdrawals I guess.

 

Juan, welcome. Thank you for sharing yourself. 

What I left in the quote above is a fantastic insight on your part. What you would say if you read your own post as someone else. 

I think this may be what is contributing to not achieving what you want. 

I say "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything"

That being said, I know how difficult it is to carve out a new pathway called "You don't have to do anything", especially when there is already a pathway called "JUST FUCKING DO IT" so deeply carved out already. I wish you the very very best, and I'm sorry this is troubling you. 

 

 

Hey Stephen,

 

So thanks for the reply. I appreciate what you said, "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything". The difference in perspective challenged me a bit at first. When I read it, I thought to myself, well duh that’s common sense stuff like what I said. I had to look at it a couple of times to understand it. The difference from what I can understand is that the way you say it, it is voluntary. The things that I want not only do not have to be sought after, but because there is no aggression of myself feeling like I have to make myself do it, I can without guilt or added pressure seek that which I desire without being so anxious about it. More importantly I ought to not have talked that way to myself. If I had read this like you, and responded the way I did to myself, I would be cruel to that person, and in that case it is me. I need to try to not be so aggressive in my own criticism and self-worth. I hope that makes sense, and more importantly reflects what you said. I appreciate your advice and your willingness to express yourself. It’s something I'll try working on. By repeating "you don't have to do anything" throughout the day whenever I feel anxious, kind of helps calm me down a bit. So I really want to thank you not only for response you gave, but for the actual benefit it has been just from reading your post. I hope all is well for you Stephen.

 

Thanks, Juan

 

 

Big smile on my face, Juan. I'm glad you find my response useful.

There's one thing I would like to point out or suggest as a possibility from what you said above.

The Part of you that says "JUST FUCKING DO IT!", that's not you. This is something you HAD TO internalize to survive. This Part of you is amazing, and talented and hardworking and does it's best to keep you safe, so I appreciate this Part of you greatly. It wants you to get things done, but it's approach is not effective. It's not an effective parenting or teaching behavior to tell children or students to "JUST FUCKING DO IT". It may seem to work for the parent/teacher in the short term, but it's not an effective long term strategy at all. Perhaps you and this Part can find another way to get things done, but without a doubt this Part is to be well respected and understood. Hopefully that makes some sense. 

Oh yes, thank you Juan. not everything is well for me, but I have a pretty good ratio of wellness going on.  

 

 

I’m glad I was helpful in eliciting a big smile for you. I haven’t stopped running through my head what you replied here on the post. It’s funny I didn’t think I would get such an amazing response from anybody, and yet you and Ribuck have been extremely helpful. I can’t thank you enough Stephen for your kind words, advice, and time you have taken to have this conversation.

On to your suggestion, I have read over what you said a couple times. Right now I’m thinking, ok sure I get it that makes sense and I ought to refer to myself with respect. I know that I have to actually behave in this manner, and just last night there was a moment in which I was self-attacking because I needed disapproved of the way that I behaved on the phone with my sister. After a few internally aggressive remarks, I told myself ok you got to chill out. You know what you did wrong; now you just need to plan what you can do to make it right. From there I think I was able to channel some of that aggression and use it to write a letter to my sister explaining myself. She immediately responded and we were able to patch over what happened and I can’t thank you enough for instilling in me the need to review myself, and communicate with myself with respect. I know that it was just one experience and there were others from now till then that I ought to have behaved in that way and I didn’t. So I still have a lot to work on but what you said makes a TON of sense. I will continue working on respecting me. It’s weird, I felt at times after I read your post that I have multiple personalities that I have to respect but I am no Cybil.

I’m glad to hear you have some pretty good ratio of wellness going, what’s going on for you that your ratio is positive? Don’t tell me you won the lottery, because I won it a little while back when I found this site, and now when I made this post.  My ratio of wellness has been pretty good these past few days.

 

[J. Robles]

 

It’s not a problem Ribuck, you have been honest with me and I can only try to reciprocate your kindness.

 

I’m so sorry for the turn out for you and your friend. I don’t know what it must be like to be in your position, but it must have hurt you couldn’t talk to him since the last time you two talked. With good reason you couldn’t have talked much to him, and with the mindset of wanting to talk to him, and yet with all that you were unable to. I hope you it doesn’t eat at you too much now.

 

I know that for losing a friend can be tough. My first teen crush was a girl I had met over the summer near my grandma’s place. She help me bust out of my super shy shell, and we hung out as often as we could. Unfortunately one day her dad took her and moved back to California, and I never could find a number, family, or find her on Facebook. Luckily for me it was a crush and not a long lost friend. But I can understand at times the angst or regret you might feel whenever your reminded by that person. I think the last time I remembered Alejandra was a couple days ago, I heard her favorite song on the radio on the way to work. I pulled over on the road and had one of those bittersweet reflection moments. Enough about me though.

I appreciate the concern for my friend. He sounds stable and he says he’s working on himself so that’s good. I have to say wow, the doctor’s tale is pretty remarkable. I can’t blame you for not asking, I probably would have done the same. Albeit would be one hell of a conversation. I know my mom went to one for a couple days and she had some crazy things that happened there, but it would be good to hear of a real life situation where the institution was a real benefit to someone. I think that your right that people who go of there of volition would fare better.

 

So I had to ask, and you don’t have to tell me, but how was it that you found FDR coming from a libertarian background?

Juan

 

[ribuck]

... how was it that you found FDR coming from a libertarian background? ...

I learned about FDR at a Bitcoin forum. Someone posted a list of videos about liberty, and one of them was by Stef. How did you find FDR?

Hey, here's an idea that might help you find your California friend again one day. You could set up a web page saying that you'd like to make contact again. Make sure the web page has all the things you know about her: middle name, friends and family names, places she has lived, places you two went together, etc. One day she might put her name plus some of those words into a search engine, and she'll see a search result with a page heading that says "Hey it's Juan! I'd love it if you called me...". Some people even have a Google Alert set up so that they get an email whenever a new web page appears with their name on it.

[J. Robles]

 

... how was it that you found FDR coming from a libertarian background? ...

I learned about FDR at a Bitcoin forum. Someone posted a list of videos about liberty, and one of them was by Stef. How did you find FDR?

Hey, here's an idea that might help you find your California friend again one day. You could set up a web page saying that you'd like to make contact again. Make sure the web page has all the things you know about her: middle name, friends and family names, places she has lived, places you two went together, etc. One day she might put her name plus some of those words into a search engine, and she'll see a search result with a page heading that says "Hey it's Juan! I'd love it if you called me...". Some people even have a Google Alert set up so that they get an email whenever a new web page appears with their name on it.

 

I have to give Bitcoin a look. I know you have mentioned it a few times and I have heard of it on FDR as well as Adam Kokesh's show. The reason i haven't checked it out is that I don't think I have the necessary funds nor the financial management skills to invest my time and resources. But, it’s worth learning something new no doubt. So being from the liberty movement, was the liberty message your major interest currently within the FDR spectrum, or are there other aspects you might favor now?

 

I found FDR through Alex Jones and Adam Kokesh. I use to watch news for hours on end in the day trying to remain up to date. After this myriad of lost time, I got suckered into the spectacle that is the Alex Jones show. I don’t ever regret watching his show, but i am grateful I’m not holding myself up in my 12*12 room consistently being afraid of the NWO and possible conspiracies. Then I started watching Adam vs. the Man and RT. It wasn’t as erratic and as Jones. Then I heard Stefan on both shows and was hooked. Watched a few videos and read a couple books. Have to say I am really grateful for finding such a community and such a resource that has helped me so much in my personal growth.

 

 

I'm grateful that you told me that. I had never thought to do that, nor that that could even be done. I will keep that on my back burner. It’s something I'm genuinely interested in. However at this time I'm a bit concerned as to whether I would have the capacity to have integrity with her. Its weird, just recently maybe a couple months ago I came into contact with my biological family, and I have been talking to my sisters relatively consistently. However I've had and continue to have inconsistencies with being honest with them. Plus I'm trying to deal with the aforementioned hermit like behavior. I don't mean to be disparaging or ungrateful, because I truly am. But I will focus on different priorities. However, when i decide to follow your advice and make the page and come into contact with her, I'll shoot you a message to tell you how it turned out.

 

[Stephen C]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 I know if I read this I'd probably just say, WELL JUST FUCKING DO IT ALREADY THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, MAKE GOALS AND PLANS ON HOW YOU WOULD COME TO ACHIEVE IT. And at times I have, it’s just that I go through withdrawals I guess.

 

Juan, welcome. Thank you for sharing yourself. 

What I left in the quote above is a fantastic insight on your part. What you would say if you read your own post as someone else. 

I think this may be what is contributing to not achieving what you want. 

I say "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything"

That being said, I know how difficult it is to carve out a new pathway called "You don't have to do anything", especially when there is already a pathway called "JUST FUCKING DO IT" so deeply carved out already. I wish you the very very best, and I'm sorry this is troubling you. 

 

 

Hey Stephen,

 

So thanks for the reply. I appreciate what you said, "You don't have to do anything. You know what you want. You don't have to do anything". The difference in perspective challenged me a bit at first. When I read it, I thought to myself, well duh that’s common sense stuff like what I said. I had to look at it a couple of times to understand it. The difference from what I can understand is that the way you say it, it is voluntary. The things that I want not only do not have to be sought after, but because there is no aggression of myself feeling like I have to make myself do it, I can without guilt or added pressure seek that which I desire without being so anxious about it. More importantly I ought to not have talked that way to myself. If I had read this like you, and responded the way I did to myself, I would be cruel to that person, and in that case it is me. I need to try to not be so aggressive in my own criticism and self-worth. I hope that makes sense, and more importantly reflects what you said. I appreciate your advice and your willingness to express yourself. It’s something I'll try working on. By repeating "you don't have to do anything" throughout the day whenever I feel anxious, kind of helps calm me down a bit. So I really want to thank you not only for response you gave, but for the actual benefit it has been just from reading your post. I hope all is well for you Stephen.

 

Thanks, Juan

 

 

Big smile on my face, Juan. I'm glad you find my response useful.

There's one thing I would like to point out or suggest as a possibility from what you said above.

The Part of you that says "JUST FUCKING DO IT!", that's not you. This is something you HAD TO internalize to survive. This Part of you is amazing, and talented and hardworking and does it's best to keep you safe, so I appreciate this Part of you greatly. It wants you to get things done, but it's approach is not effective. It's not an effective parenting or teaching behavior to tell children or students to "JUST FUCKING DO IT". It may seem to work for the parent/teacher in the short term, but it's not an effective long term strategy at all. Perhaps you and this Part can find another way to get things done, but without a doubt this Part is to be well respected and understood. Hopefully that makes some sense. 

Oh yes, thank you Juan. not everything is well for me, but I have a pretty good ratio of wellness going on.  

 

 

I’m glad I was helpful in eliciting a big smile for you. I haven’t stopped running through my head what you replied here on the post. It’s funny I didn’t think I would get such an amazing response from anybody, and yet you and Ribuck have been extremely helpful. I can’t thank you enough Stephen for your kind words, advice, and time you have taken to have this conversation.

On to your suggestion, I have read over what you said a couple times. Right now I’m thinking, ok sure I get it that makes sense and I ought to refer to myself with respect. I know that I have to actually behave in this manner, and just last night there was a moment in which I was self-attacking because I needed disapproved of the way that I behaved on the phone with my sister. After a few internally aggressive remarks, I told myself ok you got to chill out. You know what you did wrong; now you just need to plan what you can do to make it right. From there I think I was able to channel some of that aggression and use it to write a letter to my sister explaining myself. She immediately responded and we were able to patch over what happened and I can’t thank you enough for instilling in me the need to review myself, and communicate with myself with respect. I know that it was just one experience and there were others from now till then that I ought to have behaved in that way and I didn’t. So I still have a lot to work on but what you said makes a TON of sense. I will continue working on respecting me. It’s weird, I felt at times after I read your post that I have multiple personalities that I have to respect but I am no Cybil.

I’m glad to hear you have some pretty good ratio of wellness going, what’s going on for you that your ratio is positive? Don’t tell me you won the lottery, because I won it a little while back when I found this site, and now when I made this post.  My ratio of wellness has been pretty good these past few days.

 

 

You're very welcome, Juan.  I'm amazed you got such amazing responses too. I wanted to add something else to the discussion here...

http://www.personal-growth-programs.com/procrastination

Aside from the "JUST FUCKIN' DO IT!" Part of yourself there may be other Parts that are involved in the process also, working hard on their jobs. 

Cybil Shepherd from Moonlighting?

There are a lot of things that keep my wellness ratio on the plus. To see you're getting the support you need is a fine example. Your show of appreciation towards me is another.. It snowed last night. I love seeing snowfall and all the streets covered with white. Earlier I went to the 99 cent store and played with the new kitty they have. I had a short chat with the woman that owns the store, she speaks very little English. It felt good to see a smile light up on her face, she's usually pretty grumpy. There are all kinds of things that keep me goin'.

[J. Robles]

Hey Stephen,

Sorry it’s taken me a few days to reply, I just got accessto a computer with internet ha. So thanks for your response Stephen. I’m goingto have to check out the personal growth program. If not now probably duringthe week whenever I get my laptop back. Have you used the website before?

 

I actually meant Sybil, the movie with Sally field about thegirl with multiple personality disorder. It’s a really well made movie, howeverit’s a bit depressing so watch it in a decent mood. Next to Girl Interrupted,its one of those raw movies that is depressing, but real and just amazing.

 

Im glad you have been keeping your wellness ratio up. Italso feels good that I was able to reciprocate the good feelings I received fromyou reply as well. So you say it snowed the other night in Brooklyn, have youalways been in New York where there has always been snow? I like the way snowlooks too, but unfortunately in Central Texas the most we will get is maybe aninch every other year. Do you have a cat of your own, and that’s pretty cool ofyou to go into the store, play with the kittens, and help put a smile on theowners face. Do you go there often or just once in a while? I’m glad to hearthat you have a lot to keep you goin, you seem to be a very positive, caring,and happy person.

 

Juan

 

[Summerstone]

Hola Juan,

I came here to say that I've found a lot of value in your posts and have at times struggled with procrastination myself. I'd echo the point Stephen made about the "JUST FUCKING DO IT" part. Perhaps you are experiencing a lot of shame or disappointment in reaction to the idea that you immerse yourself in the void of media? I know that for me it has been a self-feeding cycle: shame in response to a trailhead, immersion in media as a means of dissociating, and then shame/disappointment that I 'wasted' so much time (this shame/disappointment may lead to more media).

I'm really sorry you're having such a tough time with this issue and I can sympathize with having the emotionally lifeless person living with you, consuming lots of media themselves. Something that has really helped me work with my parts around my similar issue is to be thankful to those parts of me that want to consume media. They had to work so dang hard when I was teen. I think from ages 13-18 I must have watched 1,500 to 2,000 movies. I'm so thankful that they numbed me from my parents' moods and vitriol. I also recognize that I have a lot of self judgment about when I go spelunking into media caves, and that self-judgement is a part as well (a motherly one). This gratitude and gratitude for the moments when I am lucid and doing the things that are important for me has helped me to change and grow. 

I've worked some with my therapist on this trailhead. The part that pushes me to media dissociation is called "The Scrambler". Cool name

Thanks for reading about my experience. Maybe it will help you somehow. I know your posts in this thread have helped me to connect with my parts and I'm looking forward to a better day.

-Steve

[Stephen C]

 

Polarization Between “Take Your Time” and “Do It Now Parts”

http://www.personal-growth-programs.com/store/demonstration-sessions/ifs-sessions/demonstration-ifs-session-polarization-between-take-your-time-and-do-it-now-parts.html

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[J. Robles]

 

 

Hola Juan,

I came here to say that I've found a lot of value in your posts and have at times struggled with procrastination myself. I'd echo the point Stephen made about the "JUST FUCKING DO IT" part. Perhaps you are experiencing a lot of shame or disappointment in reaction to the idea that you immerse yourself in the void of media? I know that for me it has been a self-feeding cycle: shame in response to a trailhead, immersion in media as a means of dissociating, and then shame/disappointment that I 'wasted' so much time (this shame/disappointment may lead to more media).

I'm really sorry you're having such a tough time with this issue and I can sympathize with having the emotionally lifeless person living with you, consuming lots of media themselves. Something that has really helped me work with my parts around my similar issue is to be thankful to those parts of me that want to consume media. They had to work so dang hard when I was teen. I think from ages 13-18 I must have watched 1,500 to 2,000 movies. I'm so thankful that they numbed me from my parents' moods and vitriol. I also recognize that I have a lot of self judgment about when I go spelunking into media caves, and that self-judgement is a part as well (a motherly one). This gratitude and gratitude for the moments when I am lucid and doing the things that are important for me has helped me to change and grow. 

I've worked some with my therapist on this trailhead. The part that pushes me to media dissociation is called "The Scrambler". Cool name

Thanks for reading about my experience. Maybe it will help you somehow. I know your posts in this thread have helped me to connect with my parts and I'm looking forward to a better day.

-Steve

 

Hola Steve,

 

Thank you for your kind words, and your analysis of the
posts on this thread. I have to say that honestly I didn’t really expect so
many people to not only respond to this thread, but be extremely helpful and
courteous as well. I am pretty grateful. 
I have to say I think your description of the self-feeding cycle is spot
on. I think that the trail head of shame was the inability of choice as a child
growing up, and that feeling of being inept in daily activities and being
treated like a pet. I think this sentiment created the tension to desire to be
dissociated with life with media because its instant gratification or at least
filler to avoid the emptiness.  Now that I
have tried to be consistent with introspection, especially amidst media
consumption or other void filling behavior, the shame eats at me like a lion at
a carcass. And that vicious gnawing reinforces the self-attack that I regard
myself in such a disrespectful way.

I appreciate your sympathy, Steve. I really have to say
thank you for personally divulging such personal information. I know that that
can be tough, but your post has been extremely helpful in my own benefit and
for that, I thank you. So with so many movies under your belt, what are some of
your favorites? Also I’m sorry that you had to experience probably such
tightrope walking with your parents to handle their moods and vitriol, and that
you used movies as an escape. I know my mom for the most part fits that shoe
pretty well and it can be, exhausting and depressing at times. Is that
something similar that you might have experienced. And what are some things,
you don’t have to tell me anything you don’t want to, that you have done to
help with the self-judgment?

I have wanted to see a therapist, however the two times I did
see one I wasn’t honest and completely open. Plus I didn’t like that neither
one of them gave me structure of what is to be expected, what the process would
be like. I ended up just shooting the shit with them until I realized I was
wasting my money.  Do you have any recommendations
or advice in regards to therapists?

Thank you for telling your experience. It has been greatly
beneficial to me and probably others. It has been a great help to me.  I’m glad that this post help connect you with
parts of your own life. And I hope you day, days get better. I would like to
hear how they are.

Thanks again,

Juan

[J. Robles]

 

 

Polarization Between “Take Your Time” and “Do It Now Parts”

http://www.personal-growth-programs.com/store/demonstration-sessions/ifs-sessions/demonstration-ifs-session-polarization-between-take-your-time-and-do-it-now-parts.html

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Hey Stephen,

Thanks for sending me the links to resources to help me deal with everything. I have been busy, at times, and procastinated the rest to research the links, but today I will look at least at one of them, and give you a response by tomorrow. I hope your doing well and not freezing to bad up there. 

 

Juan

[Mcattack]

Hey Mr. Hermit! I made this video on self-knowledge, you might like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNmNuK-asLM

[J. Robles]

Hey Stephen,

Tthanks again for the links. I'm sorry I have procrastinated so much in replying to your help. I start getting on a little roll with self-knowledge and trying to better myself, and then I instinctively delve back into the quagmire that was my inactivity. I hope I didn't offend you or anybody else that has been so helpful on this thread. I feel like a junkie wanting more crack and isolating myself from this community and people around me and it really helps to having people as yourself and Ribuck that are kind and helpful. I ended up purchasing the Illustratyed Workbook for Self-Therapy for Your Inner Critic, Polarization between "Take Your Time" and "Do it Now Parts", and also Taking Action from the personal growth programs link you sent me. I read around and liked what I saw from the site so hopefully the resources will be helpful. I also wanted to ask how you are doing? I know from the last message your were doing alright and i was hoping your still bringing smiles to people. Anwyas drop me a line if or whenever you have the chance. I was wanting to ask you what resources you have used from the personal growth programs. Anyways hope your doing well.

 

Juan