Kody Palmer Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 How would those that chat it up with 13 year old girls online then go to their homes with the intent of engaging in mutual sex be dealt with in a stateless society?
Marc Moini Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 I guess it would depend on how 13 year old girls in general are perceived in that society, whether they are thought of as persons like anybody else who get to make their own choices for how they want to live their own life, or whether as is the case in most places today they are considered by most people as incapable of making their own choices. This perception today I suppose isn't helped by the fact that most 13 year olds are raised to be incapable of making their own choices. However in a free society that wouldn't necessarily be the case, it would probably be the exact opposite. My own daughter was 13 not too long ago and she had wanted to work and earn a living for years, in a stateless society she would have been able to, and she could have been much more independent and experienced in life than is the case now. And perfectly capable of making her own choices as to who to have or not to have sex with. I believe this would deal with the problem you envision, without using coercion.
fractional slacker Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 Here's my vision, or two cents on the matter. Because a mother (or father) would likely have been home raising the 13yo and that the girl would have been learning in a non-state school, the chances she would even be tempted to indulge in dirty chats with whoever would be remote. Futhermore there would be a free market in sex services that would make the adult man less likely to target young girls.
Metal Chef Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 How did this conversation turn to sex just because the woman is 13 years old? I can see that you guys have less to worry about with a 13 year old woman than who she'll have sex with or why rather than what her interests are. Maybe worry about why you are worried about the sex life of a 13 year old. Have you two nothing better to do?
Metal Chef Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 btw 13 is pedophile age. are you guys fricking crazy?
Kody Palmer Posted February 5, 2013 Author Posted February 5, 2013 are you familiar with the show to catch a predator? that was the name of the topic and the conversation was at least indirectly related to sex from the get go. My question was how we would decide what is or is not a pedophile age in an anarchst society. What makes 13 a pedophile age and not 15,18, or any other number? and who decides?
fractional slacker Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 In a voluntary society there will still be gray areas, however, there should be less incentives or opportunities for exploitation given that relations, in general, would be more productive, fulfilling, and possibly meaningful. When the guns are removed, people will have more compassion and less desire to act the fool.
Magnus Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 How did this conversation turn to sex just because the woman is 13 years old? I can see that you guys have less to worry about with a 13 year old woman than who she'll have sex with or why rather than what her interests are. Maybe worry about why you are worried about the sex life of a 13 year old. Have you two nothing better to do? It's an important topic, since the State's "protection of children" is one of the main justifications for Statism in the popular mind. Many people reflexively assume that without the "public service" provided by stalwart, brave, selfless defenders of honor and justice known as "the government," constantly keeping vigil over us as we sleep, the world would instantly descend into a frenzy of more or less constant child-rape. What these people never seem to grasp is that the children who are taken from parents by the State and placed into the various places are far more likely to be the victims of abuse after they've entered the "child welfare" system. The rate of child abuse in group homes, foster homes and (worst of all) the juvenile justice system is insanely high.
Kody Palmer Posted February 6, 2013 Author Posted February 6, 2013 Thanks. I didn't mean anything sinister about this topic. I was just sitting at home watching How To Catch a Predator and on the show they lock guys up for four years just for the intent of having sex with a 13 year old. They don't actually commit the crime. Definitely seems interesting to me how this would be dealt with in as anarchist community. If I offended anyone I apologize. I'm new around here so still getting my feet wet on what is considered taboo. I appreciate the answers.
empyblessing Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 How would those that chat it up with 13 year old girls online then go to their homes with the intent of engaging in mutual sex be dealt with in a stateless society? By your statement you're implying that children are protected under statehood. This needs to be made clear.
Mark Bernhardt Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 btw 13 is pedophile age. are you guys fricking crazy? Careful with your rhetoric, also what is pedophile age? Its not like the clock strikes midnight eighteen years after birth and the girl is ready to go sleeping around. The emotional and biological state of a woman differs from each individual whether she feels ready or not ready to engage in sexual behavior. Hopefully she will choose a guy she trusts and cares about. Also I dont think older men or woman who havn't been sexually/emotionally or physically find 13 year old girls attractive, particularely for biological reasons. Also (sorry a lot of also's), young girls raised in emotionally safe families with parents with the positive incentive to raise this way (DRO's, signs of abusive behavior raising rates etc.) will understand proper physical barriers like not sitting in older men's laps and so on. Stef touched on this briefly in a podcast I don't remember which.
Kody Palmer Posted February 7, 2013 Author Posted February 7, 2013 How am I iimplying that? if they wont be dealt with at all by the state but instead by some other means, that is certainly a possibility and I didnt rule that out. One possible answer is the situation will not be dealt with at all. if that is the case then ok but I don't see how I implied anything.
masonman Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 btw 13 is pedophile age. are you guys fricking crazy? Legally speaking yes, however a pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children. A 19 year old should not feel guilt for feeling sexual attraction to a 16 year old. Them having sex would be illegal, however I think most on this forum would agree that the government does not dictate morality. A sexual attraction to prepubescent children is usually a sign of a physical brain defect of some kind that needs to be treated. Humans aren't built to be attracted to prepubescent children.
MPStewart Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 btw 13 is pedophile age. are you guys fricking crazy? Legally speaking yes, however a pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children. A 19 year old should not feel guilt for feeling sexual attraction to a 16 year old. Them having sex would be illegal, however I think most on this forum would agree that the government does not dictate morality. A sexual attraction to prepubescent children is usually a sign of a physical brain defect of some kind that needs to be treated. Humans aren't built to be attracted to prepubescent children. I believe the person attracted to children/young adults who are going through puberty is called an ephebophile. This is the age at which (most) human females can be impregnated, so "base" physical attraction isn't caused by abuse, it's caused by genes wanting to reproduce. Now is it good that we have a cultural stigma against sexual activity with such young people? Very likely, as they are generally not well prepared mentally and emotionally for a sexual relationship or the responsibilities therein.
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