Nick Coons Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/opinion/krugman-rubio-and-the-zombies.html?_r=1& On the other hand, the G.O.P. reply, delivered by Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, was both interesting and revelatory. And I mean that in the worst way. For Mr. Rubio is a rising star, to such an extent that Time magazine put him on its cover, calling him “The Republican Savior.” What we learned Tuesday, however, was that zombie economic ideas have eaten his brain. In case you’re wondering, a zombie idea is a proposition that has been thoroughly refuted by analysis and evidence, and should be dead — but won’t stay dead because it serves a political purpose, appeals to prejudices, or both. Given this definition, I "Statism" sounds like a zombie idea.. thoughts?
STer Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/opinion/krugman-rubio-and-the-zombies.html?_r=1& On the other hand, the G.O.P. reply, delivered by Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, was both interesting and revelatory. And I mean that in the worst way. For Mr. Rubio is a rising star, to such an extent that Time magazine put him on its cover, calling him “The Republican Savior.” What we learned Tuesday, however, was that zombie economic ideas have eaten his brain. In case you’re wondering, a zombie idea is a proposition that has been thoroughly refuted by analysis and evidence, and should be dead — but won’t stay dead because it serves a political purpose, appeals to prejudices, or both. Given this definition, I "Statism" sounds like a zombie idea.. thoughts? Statism isn't a "proposition" exactly. There are many propositions about states that one can make. Some may be true, others false. Statism is a viewpoint held by someone who wishes there to be a state. But that doesn't tell us why they want there to be a state. So I'm not sure I'd call statism a zombie idea, per se. But there are certainly zombie ideas related to statism.
TheRobin Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/opinion/krugman-rubio-and-the-zombies.html?_r=1& On the other hand, the G.O.P. reply, delivered by Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, was both interesting and revelatory. And I mean that in the worst way. For Mr. Rubio is a rising star, to such an extent that Time magazine put him on its cover, calling him “The Republican Savior.” What we learned Tuesday, however, was that zombie economic ideas have eaten his brain. In case you’re wondering, a zombie idea is a proposition that has been thoroughly refuted by analysis and evidence, and should be dead — but won’t stay dead because it serves a political purpose, appeals to prejudices, or both. Given this definition, I "Statism" sounds like a zombie idea.. thoughts? Cool, I never heard of the term "zombie idea" before and I agree, given the definition of the term, statism fits that description easilyAH, what fancy times we live in when we can use the word zombie in regards to politics and actually have it mean something
Nick Coons Posted February 16, 2013 Author Posted February 16, 2013 Statism isn't a "proposition" exactly. There are many propositions about states that one can make. Some may be true, others false. Statism is a viewpoint held by someone who wishes there to be a state. But that doesn't tell us why they want there to be a state. So I'm not sure I'd call statism a zombie idea, per se. But there are certainly zombie ideas related to statism. I think that's a valid distinction. I think anyone that subscribes to the viewpoint of statism starts with the proposition that states are necessary for civil society, and that that proposition is a "zombie idea."
STer Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Statism isn't a "proposition" exactly. There are many propositions about states that one can make. Some may be true, others false. Statism is a viewpoint held by someone who wishes there to be a state. But that doesn't tell us why they want there to be a state. So I'm not sure I'd call statism a zombie idea, per se. But there are certainly zombie ideas related to statism. I think that's a valid distinction. I think anyone that subscribes to the viewpoint of statism starts with the proposition that states are necessary for civil society, and that that proposition is a "zombie idea." I don't agree with that though. For example, there are people who work for the state that want there to be a state because it benefits them. They may not believe it's necessary. Some may even think it's harmful but just not care. There are people who support states for different reasons, not all of them because of the benefits they think it has for society as a whole.
Nick Coons Posted February 16, 2013 Author Posted February 16, 2013 Statism isn't a "proposition" exactly. There are many propositions about states that one can make. Some may be true, others false. Statism is a viewpoint held by someone who wishes there to be a state. But that doesn't tell us why they want there to be a state. So I'm not sure I'd call statism a zombie idea, per se. But there are certainly zombie ideas related to statism. I think that's a valid distinction. I think anyone that subscribes to the viewpoint of statism starts with the proposition that states are necessary for civil society, and that that proposition is a "zombie idea." I don't agree with that though. For example, there are people who work for the state that want there to be a state because it benefits them. They may not believe it's necessary. Some may even think it's harmful but just not care. There are people who support states for different reasons, not all of them because of the benefits they think it has for society as a whole. Okay, but that's not the primary point, that's the secondary point (the primary point being the last few words of the last sentece of my previous post). But let's change "anyone" to "some amount greater than 0% and less than 100%" in my secondary point and that should clear that up :-).
STer Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Statism isn't a "proposition" exactly. There are many propositions about states that one can make. Some may be true, others false. Statism is a viewpoint held by someone who wishes there to be a state. But that doesn't tell us why they want there to be a state. So I'm not sure I'd call statism a zombie idea, per se. But there are certainly zombie ideas related to statism. I think that's a valid distinction. I think anyone that subscribes to the viewpoint of statism starts with the proposition that states are necessary for civil society, and that that proposition is a "zombie idea." I don't agree with that though. For example, there are people who work for the state that want there to be a state because it benefits them. They may not believe it's necessary. Some may even think it's harmful but just not care. There are people who support states for different reasons, not all of them because of the benefits they think it has for society as a whole. Okay, but that's not the primary point, that's the secondary point (the primary point being the last few words of the last sentece of my previous post). But let's change "anyone" to "some amount greater than 0% and less than 100%" in my secondary point and that should clear that up :-). I think the zombie idea is that there is any one form of social structure that everyone on earth has to have, especially some very extreme hierarchical one.
DoubtingThomas Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Statism isn't a "proposition" exactly. There are many propositions about states that one can make. Some may be true, others false. Statism is a viewpoint held by someone who wishes there to be a state. But that doesn't tell us why they want there to be a state. So I'm not sure I'd call statism a zombie idea, per se. But there are certainly zombie ideas related to statism. I think that's a valid distinction. I think anyone that subscribes to the viewpoint of statism starts with the proposition that states are necessary for civil society, and that that proposition is a "zombie idea." I don't agree with that though. For example, there are people who work for the state that want there to be a state because it benefits them. They may not believe it's necessary. Some may even think it's harmful but just not care. There are people who support states for different reasons, not all of them because of the benefits they think it has for society as a whole. Okay, but that's not the primary point, that's the secondary point (the primary point being the last few words of the last sentece of my previous post). But let's change "anyone" to "some amount greater than 0% and less than 100%" in my secondary point and that should clear that up :-). I think the zombie idea is that there is any one form of social structure that everyone on earth has to have, especially some very extreme hierarchical one. So you don't think the state is an extremely heirarchical social structure that (most) everyone believes we need for no justifiable reason?
STer Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Statism isn't a "proposition" exactly. There are many propositions about states that one can make. Some may be true, others false. Statism is a viewpoint held by someone who wishes there to be a state. But that doesn't tell us why they want there to be a state. So I'm not sure I'd call statism a zombie idea, per se. But there are certainly zombie ideas related to statism. I think that's a valid distinction. I think anyone that subscribes to the viewpoint of statism starts with the proposition that states are necessary for civil society, and that that proposition is a "zombie idea." I don't agree with that though. For example, there are people who work for the state that want there to be a state because it benefits them. They may not believe it's necessary. Some may even think it's harmful but just not care. There are people who support states for different reasons, not all of them because of the benefits they think it has for society as a whole. Okay, but that's not the primary point, that's the secondary point (the primary point being the last few words of the last sentece of my previous post). But let's change "anyone" to "some amount greater than 0% and less than 100%" in my secondary point and that should clear that up :-). I think the zombie idea is that there is any one form of social structure that everyone on earth has to have, especially some very extreme hierarchical one. So you don't think the state is an extremely heirarchical social structure that (most) everyone believes we need for no justifiable reason? I think if some people want to have an extremely hierarchical structure for their own situation and reasons with consent of everyone involved, they should have that. I think the problem comes in when people think everyone everywhere has to have any one structure. It's really this idea that there is any one-size fits all solution that's a problem. When that one-size fits all is extremely hierarchical, this is even more of a problem.
nickhk Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/opinion/krugman-rubio-and-the-zombies.html?_r=1& On the other hand, the G.O.P. reply, delivered by Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, was both interesting and revelatory. And I mean that in the worst way. For Mr. Rubio is a rising star, to such an extent that Time magazine put him on its cover, calling him “The Republican Savior.” What we learned Tuesday, however, was that zombie economic ideas have eaten his brain. In case you’re wondering, a zombie idea is a proposition that has been thoroughly refuted by analysis and evidence, and should be dead — but won’t stay dead because it serves a political purpose, appeals to prejudices, or both. Given this definition, I "Statism" sounds like a zombie idea.. thoughts? Brilliant. I may be misusing political here, but... Statism would be the premiere zombie idea, because it is political purpose. Patient Zero, I believe it is called.
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