LovePrevails Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Alright then, roll up! roll up! List the most funny, silly, illogical or self-contradicory arguments you have heard from statists, and how you responded to them! GOOOOOoooooooood Night!
empyblessing Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Goverment is here to protect us from the free markets!
ProvidenceAnarchist Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 "Oh so taxation is theft and immoral? Then I'm sure you wouldn't mind if we took away all the services provided by those evil taxes you enjoy so much. Surely you'd be the first to line up and volunteer."
David L Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 "The free market isn't the cause of the state."
MrCapitalism Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 Posted of facebook. "Free healthcare isn't to blame for this." EDIT: From an economics standpoint, this is a perfect demonstration of the reality of resouce allocation. If the ER is not allowed to allocate care by price, it is required to find other means. This results in allocatoin by queues and triage.
nathanm Posted February 19, 2013 Posted February 19, 2013 "Most people don't want to pay for fire or police.... until they are on fire or being robbed and cannot fight off the thieves themselves.If you make things voluntary, simple things we take for granted will fall apart. Highways/Bridges, Fire, Police, Power, etc. will go to shit, to start. And once they go, everything else will go.You are living in a fantasy world where magically everyone's self interests will somehow coincide into a working manageable society. It's fucking crazy, I'm sorry."
empyblessing Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 "Most people don't want to pay for fire or police.... until they are on fire or being robbed and cannot fight off the thieves themselves.If you make things voluntary, simple things we take for granted will fall apart. Highways/Bridges, Fire, Police, Power, etc. will go to shit, to start. And once they go, everything else will go.You are living in a fantasy world where magically everyone's self interests will somehow coincide into a working manageable society. It's fucking crazy, I'm sorry." That's the free market. It's what they live in now - to a very small degree.
nathanm Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 It's a very reply-able statement, but I didn't bother with the person that wrote that. They also made the direct statement "taxes are not theft". I could have a more productive discussion with a talking budgie.
PatrickC Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 I could have a more productive discussion with a talking budgie. Likewise. I now no longer debate statists anymore. The whole process is just a reminder of those annoying contradictory conversations about religion and politics I had with my father over the years. An old chestnut I heard after recently discovering anarchism, from my then girlfriend was, 'Who would build the roads Pat!?' I recall spitting my coffee out in sheer wonderment at hearing this much loved statist of statements for the first time.. []
nathanm Posted February 20, 2013 Posted February 20, 2013 Statists have selective hearing and reading abilities. e.g. You say: "I don't think roads should be paid for with stolen money." They hear: "I don't think roads should be." Get lost ya road hater!
TruthahnDerRuin Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 "We just need to hold our representatives accountable."
yarzon Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 "Government isn't working because they don't have enough power."
alexqr1 Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 How about this one? The forum I got it from has a post that reads: "Doesn't even mention the framework of commercial law that makes operating his business possible." So I guess without commercial law commerce would not be possible. And my personal comment from the picture is "standard day and time (GOV)". Thank goodnes for governments, without them, we all would have a different time on our watch and a different day on our calendar.
lyghtningrod Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 So I guess without commercial law commerce would not be possible. And my personal comment from the picture is "standard day and time (GOV)". Thank goodnes for governments, without them, we all would have a different time on our watch and a different day on our calendar. AFAIK, standard time came about because of railroad schedules. Towns followed the sun, so one town might be 9:10 the next town might say it is 9:18, and they were both right, according to the sun. That made it hard for the railroads to schedule, hence time zones. One of my favorite absurdities is the reference to the mythical beast known as "unfettered unregulated capitalism." Thing is, they aren't talking about the 19th century, they are talking about the time since Reagan. Always makes me wonder if we are speaking a common language. And I wonder how many know that Jimmy Carter was the one who deregulated air travel, trucks and beer, which is the reason for the explosion of microbreweries. So all those lefties quaffing their favorite brew can thank 'unfettered unregulated capitalism'(or our best substitute) for their high.
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I've had some doozies pulled on me but my all time favorite was when Jan Helfeld explained to Stef that without the state, corporations would drive tanks down the roads of neighborhoods, point their guns a the front doors of random houses and demand all the owners' money. I was like... daFUQ did he just say? And then I wondered why I was surprised. [dazed]
lyghtningrod Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I've had some doozies pulled on me but my all time favorite was when Jan Helfeld explained to Stef that without the state, corporations would drive tanks down the roads of neighborhoods, point their guns a the front doors of random houses and demand all the owners' money. I was like... daFUQ did he just say? And then I wondered why I was surprised. /emoticons/confused.gif I think that's what they think Somalia is like.
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I've had some doozies pulled on me but my all time favorite was when Jan Helfeld explained to Stef that without the state, corporations would drive tanks down the roads of neighborhoods, point their guns a the front doors of random houses and demand all the owners' money. I was like... daFUQ did he just say? And then I wondered why I was surprised. /emoticons/confused.gif I think that's what they think Somalia is like. I agree. But even if that were happening in Somalia, which in some ways it is, it isn't a reflection of anarchy.
lyghtningrod Posted April 9, 2013 Posted April 9, 2013 I think that's what they think Somalia is like. I agree. But even if that were happening in Somalia, which in some ways it is, it isn't a reflection of anarchy. From what I can tell things have settled down a lot, and the Somalia in the leftist's imagination disappeared about 10 years ago. But yeah, what happened/is happening is chaos not anarchy, with competing thugs duking it out for control of the appratus of State. But the distinction between chaos and anarchy is lost on all who don't like the idea of anarchy in the first place. They just conflate the two and walk away. Intellectually dishonest but there ain't much you can do but shake your head in awe and wonder at how hard we hold onto our beliefs, against all evidence to the contrary.
Hugh Akston Posted April 24, 2013 Posted April 24, 2013 Agree. The natural response to having your beliefs challenged is to defend them. If your objective is to convince a more subtle approach is far more effective.
Robert Stempien Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Got two good ones from debating my uncle this weekend 1. Well if you hate the government so much why don't you go to Syria? After I asked him what would happen if I had lots of power and demanded taxes and had the force to back up my demands. 2. Thats fine, you would be the government then
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 2. Thats fine, you would be the government then The above quote is a perfect example of why you cannot argue a statist out of being a statist. Might makes right conditioning in action, folks. Gee... who do we learn that from?
Pepin Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 "We need to get the money out of politics" Great, we can start with taxation. "I fought for your freedom" Wait, who are you? "People have died for your freedom" Or they died for a concept. Liberal - "Support the troops" Me - "These sorts of human classifications are determined by action, therefore you must support the actions of the troops" Liberal - "Love the sinner, hate the sin" Me - "Love the rapist, hate the rape?" Liberal - "You're grilling me about supporting the troops, and you support rape! Tell me what you think is worse?" "[Any argument about the financial crises that talks about regulation without mentioning the Federal Reserve and the Greenspan Put]" So we are just going to ignore all of this? "Businesses want to make bad investments" This is a large argument in regards to the financial crises. "If us liberals don't do it, then the Republicans will and it will be far worse" If we don't rape this person, another person will rape this person, and they will be far less gentle. Liberal - "Conservatives are owned by cooperations" Me - "Don't liberals receive just as much donations as conservatives. Obama received more than Romney I believe" Liberal - "To win the game, you gotta play by their game"
Victor Posted June 19, 2013 Posted June 19, 2013 "If you didn't vote then you can't complain." "Yes we can." "I for one think there is a legitimate role for government in modern society." "The government should do something about crime." "An unregulated and unchecked free market... well that's just anarchy." "We eat safer food, take tested medications, breathe cleaner air and drink purer water all because of the government our tax dollars support. We also fly on more secure planes, drive on a network of Interstate highways, and benefit from federally funded medical and scientific research." "Government trade missions help us gain more markets for our goods, government inspectors keep our power plants safe, and government laws protect us against fraud, discrimination and unsafe workplaces. And I could go on and on."
Robert Stempien Posted June 20, 2013 Posted June 20, 2013 another one from my grandpa: "we need to spread democracy around the world to save it" which to me is like saying we need to infect everyone around the world with AIDS to help them
Matthew Santonastaso Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 One I am dealing with today "The Troops pay taxes too"
Pepin Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 A society based on the non-aggression principal would divulge into mass murders, rapes, and gang warfare.
Zimobog Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 "Facts are largely dependent on which country you live in." "If you don'y love it (enthusiastically gobble the shaft of..) then leave it." "If people want to buy China's exports then maybe they should move to China and buy the exports there." (Duuurrrrr. Those wouldn't be exports) "American workers deserve more pay because they enjoy a higher standard of living" "The best way to improve the lives of workers in China is to make them close the 'sweatshops'."
Pepin Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 Them - We need to push third world countries to ban child labor, Me - Won't that result in them starving or having to go to more illicit and dangerous jobs? Them - No, children need to be in school, not in sweatshops. Me - They are barely able to feed themselves. Putting the words "we'll give them food" together doesn't solve anything, and it is quite clear the foreign programs that have already been in place to solve these problems have had detrimental effects. As studies by credible groups of UNICEF have shown, bans result in the starvation of the majority of children, and those that survive tend to end up in child prostitution and the drug trade. Them - I can't believe what I am hearing... What kind of monster supports child labor!
Mister Mister Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 If you don't pay taxes you are stealing government services.
Gaurav251 Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 "If you have a problem with the government then call your congressmen or women and tell them your feelings!" "If that doesn't work! Vote them out of office! That will teach em a lesson they will never forget!"
Vuk11 Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 I was mentioning how a DRO would be well within it's right to confiscate property, If it was an agreed upon clause in a contract signed voluntarily. The response/tantrum: "you cannot have pure CHOICE and VOLUNTARY decisions if FORCIBLE CONFISCATION is on the table. they are an absolute logical opposite." "your non-aggression concept is bogus as it is based on an entirely mythological understanding of the behaviour of individuals and those of groups and tribes. You believe inherently in the GOODNESS of people which is your major and indeed, FATAL, flaw." "My society includes freedom to live despite inability to pay. it in you are allowed to fail as well as succeed.' "How old are you?" "You just want a gun!"
Vuk11 Posted October 6, 2013 Posted October 6, 2013 Sorry for double posting but I wanted to add a recent one just from today: ""no one EVER has to pay tax and they are not forced to. if they wish to participate in our society however, they do. "
LovePrevails Posted March 17, 2014 Author Posted March 17, 2014 "I guess I just don't have as much faith in humanity as you" " Let's say that all food producers in the world work together, and decide to not sell food to anyone unless they decide to give the producers all their present and future wealth; how would the market solve this?"
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