Miss Valeska Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Why are there so few women online in general? Especially on FDR? It seems as if the vast majority of the women online are on facebook, It's weird.
kalmia Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Women are more social, while men are more comfortable straying from social conformity.
Miss Valeska Posted February 21, 2013 Author Posted February 21, 2013 Well, I'm female, And, I am very social, but, I am mostly social through the internet. Because, The people around me kinda suck.
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Oh.... there are plenty of women online... most of them aren't doing much talking though. [:|]
cherapple Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Another female here. I assumed you were male by your name, (lack of) picture, and sheer probability. If you want to find more females, why do you keep your own profile unclear?
masonman Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 Not to sound too misogynist but I've noticed a tendency for women (as a result of being more social and more in need of social acceptance) to be more susceptible to group-think and irrational beliefs. There are plenty of women in very simplistic movements like the OWS movement and the standard left-right stuff thats been around forever, but if its not really popular the split is going to be like it is here: a good 1 to 10,000 hahaha.
Miss Valeska Posted February 22, 2013 Author Posted February 22, 2013 Hmm, Yeah, That is a good idea, I'll try changing some stuff.
Miss Valeska Posted February 22, 2013 Author Posted February 22, 2013 Hmm, Well, I've always been pushed aside, Always ostracised socially. So, I guess that was impossible for me.
Miss Valeska Posted February 22, 2013 Author Posted February 22, 2013 I wish they would, I prefer to be around other women. :/
Alan C. Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 There are many women online but women tend to have different interests than men. For example, far fewer women play computer games than men. If you're asking specifically about this forum, reasons might include an aversion to conflict, or a desire not to be solicited, or sensitivity to the subject matter, or reticence and insecurity. I'm speculating. The popularity of Facebook might have something to do with seeking validation.
courtneycm Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 What was your goal by posting this thread? From reading through the comments it seems like you are trying to connect with more women online and especially through FDR, is that right? I ask because I felt confused by your initial post, which seemed to be lamenting the lack of women without really explaining why it was important to you that there be a female presence. There are a bunch of reasons why there may be less women involved in the communities you are in, but IMO a post specifically stating your goal to make more online female friends and the reasons why that is important to you might yield you more results.
cherapple Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 It's good to see you here, Valeska, and to be able to connect your profile here with your profile on Facebook. I prefer interacting on Facebook because we can talk one on one and have more control over who and how many people join the conversation. I've enjoyed the chats that we've had very much and I look forward to continuing them. (I have more questions about this post.) Conversation on the boards (perhaps everywhere, but it's amplified on message boards) is kind of like a bunch of people yelling into space, sometimes achieving meaningful contact, but mostly with the sounds colliding, deflecting, and bouncing off each other.
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 Yeah, I hate that kind of thing, I hope that can be remedied someday. I have had many great converstations with you too, You are a great person.
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 Yes, I have always preferred to be around other women, And, Because I don't have very many people I enjoy talking to in person. I usually talk to people online, And then, of course, There are very few of the people I enjoy talking to the most. I think you are right, I just am afraid of sounding creepy.
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 Yes, I am transgendered, And I do entirely understand how you feel about that. I have problems feeling good enough sometimes too, *hugs*, I have facebook, And all that linked on my profile, You can add me anywhere you like.
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Yes, I have always preferred to be around other women, And, Because I don't have very many people I enjoy talking to in person. I usually talk to people online, And then, of course, There are very few of the people I enjoy talking to the most. I think you are right, I just am afraid of sounding creepy. Do you have other masculine interests?
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 I don't think I have any at all, But, Can you explain what a "masculine interest" is?
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 I don't think I have any at all, But, Can you explain what a "masculine interest" is? philosophy, science, math, engineering etc. most ideas which deal with principled thinking.
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 I would consider calling that masculine, Or feminine, As being extremely sexist.
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 I would consider calling that masculine, Or feminine, As being extremely sexist. Why is it sexist?
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 I would consider calling that masculine, Or feminine, As being extremely sexist. Why is it sexist? Feminine/masculine is not male/female. The women in areas like philosophy (ie. Ayn Rand) are usually masculine women.
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 Because, It is saying that, A women either cannot do those things, Or cannot be feminine whilst doing them. I reject those answers, Instead, I believe they are not related to gender.
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Because, It is saying that, A women either cannot do those things, Or cannot be feminine whilst doing them. I reject those answers, Instead, I believe they are not related to gender. It's a tendency, not a rule, and I mentioned an accomplished female philosopher that I respect so obviously women can do it. As far as feminine women doing it, maybe. It sounds like having your cake and eating it too to be honest. Let me try and understand your point of view as accurately as I can so there's no miscommunication. Your thesis might be something like: gender and sex and have nothing to do with behavior. Is this accurate to what you're thinking?
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 I think it's pretty safe to say that those things are traditionally masculine. However, they are only traditionally masculine because a) women have traditionally either been disallowed that sort of study or b) forced gender identity has served as a soft social barrier to women entering those fields. Biologically speaking, there is nothing about the female brain that makes those professions better suited to males and vice versa. Consequently, if it weren't for the aforementioned forcing of gender identity on children, women like Valeska wouldn't be faced with social stigmas they don't deserve.
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 Which is why I resent referring to them as "masculine".
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 I think it's pretty safe to say that those things are traditionally masculine. However, they are only traditionally masculine because a) women have traditionally either been disallowed that sort of study or b) forced gender identity has served as a soft social barrier to women entering those fields. Biologically speaking, there is nothing about the female brain that makes those professions better suited to males and vice versa. Consequently, if it weren't for the aforementioned forcing of gender identity on children, women like Valeska wouldn't be faced with social stigmas they don't deserve. I've read parts of "Delusions of Gender", if that's what you're referring to. But DeMause's book on the origins of war seems to dispute some of that. Would you say men are as adaptive, emotional, nurturing, as women?
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Which is why I resent referring to them as "masculine". I consider myself masculine. I am attracted to the feminine because it's the opposite of what I am. The more feminine the more I'm attracted to it because it's what I am not. Saying that gender doesn't exist is denying my sexuality.
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 There are physical differences between the brains of males and females, Gender does, Definately exist, Gender roles, Are entirely different. A girl, Is a girl no matter the culture, Or location. Girls like pink, Is not, However. Gender roles are just a cultural thing, Which is totally different. Now, I do consider myself very feminine, As my profile says, I consider myself a girly girl in black. That said, I don't believe in most gender roles.
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 There are physical differences between the brains of males and females, Gender does, Definately exist, Gender roles, Are entirely different. A girl, Is a girl no matter the culture, Or location. Girls like pink, Is not, However. Gender roles are just a cultural thing, Which is totally different. Now, I do consider myself very feminine, As my profile says, I consider myself a girly girl in black. That said, I don't believe in most gender roles. If gender does not correlate to an innate tendency toward behavior than how would gender be differentiated?
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 Gender is the gender identity based upon the physical differences in the brain.
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 There are physical differences between the brains of males and females, Gender does, Definately exist, Gender roles, Are entirely different. A girl, Is a girl no matter the culture, Or location. Girls like pink, Is not, However. Gender roles are just a cultural thing, Which is totally different. Now, I do consider myself very feminine, As my profile says, I consider myself a girly girl in black. That said, I don't believe in most gender roles. There is a contradiction in your behavior. The moral principle underneath what you're saying is, "It's immoral to assume innate behaviorial tendencies between men and women." But If you don't believe in gender roles than why are you seeking only female friends on this board? If you've extempted yourself from your own moral principles than it's unlikely you believe what you say.
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 No no no, It is not a moral principle, And, I did not say there were no innate behavioural tendencies between men and women. Just that gender roles are not valid, It may be true that women are, Inherently more empathetic. But that is not a gender role, All I am saying, Is, It isn't masculine, Nor feminine to be a Philosopher. I don't seek only female friends on here, I just also seek female friends, Because I feel more comfortable around other females. That is just a preference, It isn't related to gender roles, Or anything else. Like I said before, Gender is not gender roles, Gender Roles are Cultural statements about how males and females are to behave. It is not gender itself, And it does not say how males and females do, Innately behave. It is just an insane cultural statement about how they are supposed to behave. That's all I'm saying.
empyblessing Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 No no no, It is not a moral principle, And, I did not say there were no innate behavioural tendencies between men and women. Just that gender roles are not valid, It may be true that women are, Inherently more empathetic. But that is not a gender role, All I am saying, Is, It isn't masculine, Nor feminine to be a Philosopher. I don't seek only female friends on here, I just also seek female friends, Because I feel more comfortable around other females. That is just a preference, It isn't related to gender roles, Or anything else. Like I said before, Gender is not gender roles, Gender Roles are Cultural statements about how males and females are to behave. It is not gender itself, And it does not say how males and females do, Innately behave. It is just an insane cultural statement about how they are supposed to behave. That's all I'm saying. I think I understand. But you did make a moral statement when you condemned sexism as being wrong. That's where I took the moral principle from. I believe gender roles relate to our need to survive and replicate. Women were kept pregnant most of their lives and reared children and developed behavior to best suit that. Men foraged, hunted, and competeted with one another to provide food and security for the pregnant women and children. Humans are very adaptable and I keep an open mind to most things.
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