MarisaO Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 As far as a lack of women at FDR, I think the comments in this thread could tell you a lot about why women might not want to participate here. The belief that math skills and critical thinking are masculine is something that is offensive and unproven, as is the claim that women are more susceptible to conformity or whatever. Men conform to their gender roles just as frequently as women do. I haven't noticed a lack of women online. I do see a lot of sexual harassment and sexism in online comments such as YouTube, but I also see it in my own newsfeed on Facebook sometimes. That might have something to do with why some people aren't open about their gender online, which might make it seem like there aren't a lot of women online. That's just speculation, though. I don't know of the actual demographics.
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 empyblessing - DeMause is pointing out observations of human behavior in his work, which is focused on the psychological, not the genetic. It's true that women have traditionally acted feminine and men masculine but that doesn't mean we are born that way. If you remember, one of the facts DeMause mentioned in The Origins of War is that boys actually need more empathy and more body contact in their formative years than do girls. The fact that they don't has a lot to do with why they're more aggressive than girls but, aggressive behavior is not and should not be considered masculine. Likewise, Delusions of Gender (haven't read it but have read reviews) deals with the assignment of gender roles, which again, isn't biological. You were correct to assume that sexism being bad is a moral statement. However, one can point out gender differences without being sexist. Things that are biologically different about women are, in addition to the pretty parts, a generally smaller frame, lower muscle to body weight ratio, higher fat to body weight ratio and a few key differences in the brain. I'm sure I've missed some but, I think you get the drift. ← Nothing sexist about pointing that out. Your quote: "philosophy, science, math, engineering etc. most ideas which deal with principled thinking." As a reference to more masculine interests, didn't have anything to do with what an best be described as accidents of birth. e.g. actual gender differences. Truth be told the female brain is typically better at mathematics and organized thinking... when that is encouraged. I don't know what your experience has been but to be honest, I prefer women to men as doctors (both my dentist and MD are female), accountants and a number of other skilled professions. My reason is that women tend to be more thorough and more patient with my questioning. And admittedly, they're much more pleasant to look at than men. All in all, it doesn't seem that you meant anything sexist with your comment, it just came accross that way. Which is understandable, given the dumb fuckery we're raised to believe. Did that make any sense... empy and Valeska?
Miss Valeska Posted February 23, 2013 Author Posted February 23, 2013 Yeah, It was pretty offensive, And, I do get that A LOT! This guy is hitting on me right now, And no matter what I say, He won't stop. I can see why people would want to hide it, But, I don't really want to hide it. Gender is part of my identity.
empyblessing Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 As far as a lack of women at FDR, I think the comments in this thread could tell you a lot about why women might not want to participate here. The belief that math skills and critical thinking are masculine is something that is offensive and unproven, as is the claim that women are more susceptible to conformity or whatever. Men conform to their gender roles just as frequently as women do. I haven't noticed a lack of women online. I do see a lot of sexual harassment and sexism in online comments such as YouTube, but I also see it in my own newsfeed on Facebook sometimes. That might have something to do with why some people aren't open about their gender online, which might make it seem like there aren't a lot of women online. That's just speculation, though. I don't know of the actual demographics. There are more women on the internet than men. The only sexism I see is anti-male, bigoted females publishing misandrist stories in the mainstream, expecting special rights and privileges and abusing men. Women exempt themselves from their own rules of sexism constantly while exagerating their own stance as a victim.
empyblessing Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 so it's okay to believe women are superior but that believing men are better at anything is sexism. Who's the sexist?
Brandon Buck _BB_ Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 I didn't claim women to be smarter or better than men. Women are a gender group and I don't make assertions about groups. As individuals, some women are smarter than some men and vice versa. I seems as though you've probably had some negative experience with one or more women and I'm really sorry that happened. With that said, I don't deserve to be attacked for it and women as a group don't either.
Guest Exceptionalist Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 I didn't claim women to be smarter or better than men. Women are a gender group and I don't make assertions about groups. As individuals, some women are smarter than some men and vice versa. I seems as though you've probably had some negative experience with one or more women and I'm really sorry that happened. With that said, I don't deserve to be attacked for it and women as a group don't either. Didn't you know that women stands for the majority of women? Where a rule is there is an exception. That doesn't change tendencies. NAFALT and feeling offended doesn't work here. His experience with women is irrelevant in that matter. It is like saying "Oh, you are just bitter and therefore your assertions are invalid." Truth be told the female brain is typically better at mathematics and organized thinking... when that is encouraged. Even though it is unfounded, that is an implication of female superiority by default, even if limited to one specific area. Entities who share certain properties are a group. You made an assertion about a group.
wdiaz03 Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 Why is it so important for some people to try to squeeze themselves into a specific gender? Why try to conform into being male or female? For example a woman who feels like she is a man will try her best to look and act like a man, and if someone makes the mistake of confusing her with a woman she will get offended and proclaim her man-ness. It just seems that people try to fit into these roles and apply concepts to themselves like if somehow that would give them value. It seems to me that the concept "men" and "women" when used differently, in biology it has a lot less gray area than when applied to psychology or sexual preference.
Lowe D Posted October 21, 2013 Posted October 21, 2013 As far as a lack of women at FDR, I think the comments in this thread could tell you a lot about why women might not want to participate here. The belief that math skills and critical thinking are masculine is something that is offensive and unproven, as is the claim that women are more susceptible to conformity or whatever. Men conform to their gender roles just as frequently as women do. Yeah, like muscles. No one has ever proved men have bigger muscles, so who knows! Just another example of the patriarchy at work.
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