Kody Palmer Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 So my manager at work recently hired a new team leader. In Our Processes it clearly states that in order to hire a team leader you must notify the team so everyone has a chance to self nominate. My boss didn't and when I brought this up to my HIR dempartment she originally reacted on my side because I had the Process printed out and I showed it to her. Then a week later I get an email from her saying No, my manager does not have to notify the team. She says she is still waiting for an explanation as to the "Wording" of the document. How did she go from totally agreeing with me to not agreeing with me and arguing about the wording? How should I proceed from here"? Just drop it? I really don't dislike the new team leader and don't want to see him not be allowed to be our team leader, I just simply want my manager and HR to say what it clearly states in our own processes. I'm also in a Union, but they are worthless and this isn't a document related to our contract that I am talking about it's the companies own written policies. Any help would be much appreciated, Thanks.
MrCapitalism Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 Assuming you work in a department other than HR, this sounds like an institutional problem. I wouldn't continue unless you want to form some real tension within your company. The fact that HR is going to back up a manager who is obviously going to violate written protocol clearly tells you how things run at your place, and how you can expect them to run in the future. If you want that position make your desires known to those who promote, don't be adversarial to decisions they've already made, they'll remember you for doing it.
Kody Palmer Posted March 11, 2013 Author Posted March 11, 2013 Thanks. I work at The Boeing Company in Seattle, Wa. Huge Company. and No, I don't work in the HR Dempartment.
Rick Horton Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 Assuming you work in a department other than HR, this sounds like an institutional problem. I wouldn't continue unless you want to form some real tension within your company. The fact that HR is going to back up a manager who is obviously going to violate written protocol clearly tells you how things run at your place, and how you can expect them to run in the future. If you want that position make your desires known to those who promote, don't be adversarial to decisions they've already made, they'll remember you for doing it. I agree
MrCapitalism Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 I work at The Boeing Company I don't know where you work in the company, but imagine if it has any relation to commercial aircraft then everything is probably a mess. They've got some serious problems that go way beyond the scope of this issue, and I'm sure they're pretty sick of "the book" right about now []
Existing Alternatives Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 Documents like “Our Processes”, Mission statements, etc. do not serve any particular purpose. Ultimately, everything relating to you is determined by your immediate manager (and everything relating to him/her is determined by his/her immediate manager). HR’s role is more of a lubricant, to ensure that nobody goes postal or sues the company. My advice – shut up and do the best job you can coupled with a fair amount of brown-nosing. Your job is to solve your manager’s problems, and not to question his judgments. I recognize that this is not your usual pep-talk, but it is the tough reality of working world.
Waster Posted March 12, 2013 Posted March 12, 2013 [...] I just simply want my manager and HR to say what it clearly states in our own processes. [...] Why is that so important to you?
Kody Palmer Posted March 13, 2013 Author Posted March 13, 2013 I guess because I feel a need to prove to them that they are lying and they won't admit it. I showed them the proof and they are still in denial. These are people that should tell the truth. Maybe I'm just being Naive about the world we live in I dunno.
Kody Palmer Posted March 13, 2013 Author Posted March 13, 2013 Thanks. I Know You are speaking the truth. I don't have to do too much brown nosing being in a union anyways, my pay stays the same whether I brown nose or not (Or whether I work hard or not for that matter).
Nathan T_ Freeman Posted March 13, 2013 Posted March 13, 2013 I guess because I feel a need to prove to them that they are lying and they won't admit it. I showed them the proof and they are still in denial. These are people that should tell the truth. Maybe I'm just being Naive about the world we live in I dunno. You're looking for integrity from a mega-corporation that has received massive protection and subsidies from the US government, deals with a union that's as corrupt as any local city council, and who's primary goal relative to its employees is to avoid a lawsuit. I respect your desire for consistency, but in this case it's a fool's errand.If you want to stay in this job, you'll need to shift your expectations pretty significantly in order to be happy. If you find you cannot change your expectations regarding your employer, you'll either have to suffer continuous disappointment or quit your job. Changing Boeing Corp's policy without an army of lawyers on your side is as likely as ending the Fed.
Guest spam dumpster Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 Policy means almost nothing. There's a policy that says they have to do anything they might ever want to do. The reason for the policy is nothing more than scapegoating their personal decisions. There's probably a policy that says they have to do exactly what they did do and, if you fight this, the policy the manager is citing will always win. As for why she agreed with you and then switched sides, that's business politics. It's a mess. If you don't like this backstabby game they're playing with you, I might suggest a less political field. If your passion is in this field, you'll learn to live with it.
Stephen C Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 So my manager at work recently hired a new team leader. In Our Processes it clearly states that in order to hire a team leader you must notify the team so everyone has a chance to self nominate. My boss didn't and when I brought this up to my HIR dempartment she originally reacted on my side because I had the Process printed out and I showed it to her. Then a week later I get an email from her saying No, my manager does not have to notify the team. She says she is still waiting for an explanation as to the "Wording" of the document. How did she go from totally agreeing with me to not agreeing with me and arguing about the wording? How should I proceed from here"? Just drop it? I really don't dislike the new team leader and don't want to see him not be allowed to be our team leader, I just simply want my manager and HR to say what it clearly states in our own processes. I'm also in a Union, but they are worthless and this isn't a document related to our contract that I am talking about it's the companies own written policies. Any help would be much appreciated, Thanks. I just gave this a re-listen and thought of this post. It might be worth trying on, Toad. http://media.freedomainradio.com/feed/FDR_365_The_Joy_Of_Hatred.mp3
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