STer Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 When he doesn't (and it's often) reference the facts by source I handily MUST throw out the facts he gives. That is the only right way to proceed with integrity. So it isn't proceeding with integrity to say "Hey you mentioned these statistics here. Could you please share the source with me?" rather than "throwing them out"? It's like if someone doesn't reference the source, rather than retreat to a position of neutrality and uncertainty, you decide that the stated fact is wrong, which is just as impossible to know as assuming it's right at that point.
Dave Bockman Posted March 23, 2013 Posted March 23, 2013 To the OP, just curious, have you brought your concerns over the methodolgy used by Mr. Straus to his attention and if so, what was his reply?
TimS Posted March 25, 2013 Author Posted March 25, 2013 To the OP, just curious, have you brought your concerns over the methodolgy used by Mr. Straus to his attention and if so, what was his reply? Sorry, I work all day on the weekends. Answer: I haven't had any contact with Straus. The guy is an elite academic, I'm just a kid with a technical background who works at a grocery store. I also don't care about all the journalists who seem to be constantly reporting soft-science papers (esp. re: medicine) in questionable ways...only reason I made this is because I do care about Stef. So it isn't proceeding with integrity to say "Hey you mentioned these statistics here. Could you please share the source with me?" rather than "throwing them out"? Heh, I went a step further and managed to track them down despite the links on the video's source page not being quite as helpful as I hoped they would be. How can people discuss anything in the absence of good faith?
magentawave Posted May 14, 2013 Posted May 14, 2013 We all know how often statistics are massaged to benefit the agenda of whoever is quoting them (i.e. Al Gore's "global warming" is one example that comes to mind). However, when it comes to this issue, I don't give a rats-ass what the stats say because common sense (and personal experience) tells me that adult humans manipulating and pounding on child humans FUCKS THEM UP.
TimS Posted December 18, 2013 Author Posted December 18, 2013 The recent debate between Molyneux and Block reminded me of this. Molyneux introduces the debate with comments on sociological data which are reflected by The Facts About Spanking. At 3:30 he mentions the study by Straus which links spanking to worldwide IQ and then references The Facts About Spanking, which is also linked in the video description. The Facts About Spanking is misleading and not intuitively referenced. It is particularly misleading on the subject of cognitive development. It is also misleading on the relationship between spanking and aggression. None of the objections I raised have been addressed. Getting the facts about spanking right should be a higher priority than it is.
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