Justus Ranvier Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 I what was a first for me I got the opportunity to have a conversation with Mark Edge along with another listener about obligations and the parent-child relationship for his Edgington Post podcast. If anyone would like to listen and give their thoughts I'd greatly appreciate the feedback.
Rick Horton Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 I what was a first for me I got the opportunity to have a conversation with Mark Edge along with another listener about obligations and the parent-child relationship for his Edgington Post podcast. If anyone would like to listen and give their thoughts I'd greatly appreciate the feedback. I'm listening to this right now. I haven't heard anybody mention the obvious problem. A parent is obligated to raise their children. They cannot walk away. A child needs a parent to survive until they are old enough to survive. The children can act any way they want including tantrums, disrespect, and abuse under the knowledge that their parents cannot leave them and stop feeding them. This is totally involuntary for the parent. The child is using leverage in ANY way he can to get what they want. They are helpless in some ways but clever in others. Tantrums don't work outside of the family dynamic. You get fired at work. The parent cannot let the child use this leverage over them. That would lead to disaster. The parent cannot, should not pretend they both don't have an obligation to raise their kids, and also that they can just let their kids act as if the parent has to do whatever the kid wants. When a child gets to that point, the point of tantrums, abuse, and disrespect, the parent needs to lay down the law. The parent's have the duty to teach children respect. The parent cannot say to the child, WOW you are disrespectful so I'm leaving this relationship. So the parent has every perrogative to discapline his child in whatever way they need to bring the child into better behavior. Screw this voluntaryism thing. I would NEVER let my children use me, or steam-roll me just because they know I wont leave. That is abusive behavior that they will take with them into adulthood. That's fucked up. I teach my kids that if they don't respect those who HAVE to give them stuff, then they sure as hell wont respect people who don't give them stuff. There is no contract. The parent child relationship is sovereign unto "itself" There is NOTHING that can be compared to a parent child relationship. Word games are bullcrap. The parent feeds the child, shelters the child, plays with the child, loves the child, and they also should punish the child when they don't show them respect, don't listen to them, and abuse them. I would NEVER let my child abuse me. This is all academic "crap". A parent has every perrogative to shape the child the way the parent believes is correct. The child is NOT free. The parent is essential for the child's survival, and the child must be submissive to THAT position. Children aggress against parents more than parents aggress against children because they know they can get away with it. Not in "my" house, pal. My kid wants to smart off to me and be abusive and he will be punished. I'm proud to teach my kid about respect.
Rick Horton Posted March 24, 2013 Posted March 24, 2013 I what was a first for me I got the opportunity to have a conversation with Mark Edge along with another listener about obligations and the parent-child relationship for his Edgington Post podcast. If anyone would like to listen and give their thoughts I'd greatly appreciate the feedback. I'm listening to this right now. I haven't heard anybody mention the obvious problem. A parent is obligated to raise their children. They cannot walk away. A child needs a parent to survive until they are old enough to survive. The children can act any way they want including tantrums, disrespect, and abuse under the knowledge that their parents cannot leave them and stop feeding them. This is totally involuntary for the parent. The child is using leverage in ANY way he can to get what they want. They are helpless in some ways but clever in others. Tantrums don't work outside of the family dynamic. You get fired at work. The parent cannot let the child use this leverage over them. That would lead to disaster. The parent cannot, should not pretend they both don't have an obligation to raise their kids, and also that they can just let their kids act as if the parent has to do whatever the kid wants. When a child gets to that point, the point of tantrums, abuse, and disrespect, the parent needs to lay down the law. The parent's have the duty to teach children respect. The parent cannot say to the child, WOW you are disrespectful so I'm leaving this relationship. So the parent has every perrogative to discapline his child in whatever way they need to bring the child into better behavior. Screw this voluntaryism thing. I would NEVER let my children use me, or steam-roll me just because they know I wont leave. That is abusive behavior that they will take with them into adulthood. That's fucked up. I teach my kids that if they don't respect those who HAVE to give them stuff, then they sure as hell wont respect people who don't give them stuff. There is no contract. The parent child relationship is sovereign unto "itself" There is NOTHING that can be compared to a parent child relationship. Word games are bullcrap. The parent feeds the child, shelters the child, plays with the child, loves the child, and they also should punish the child when they don't show them respect, don't listen to them, and abuse them. I would NEVER let my child abuse me. This is all academic "crap". A parent has every perrogative to shape the child the way the parent believes is correct. The child is NOT free. The parent is essential for the child's survival, and the child must be submissive to THAT position. Children aggress against parents more than parents aggress against children because they know they can get away with it. Not in "my" house, pal. My kid wants to smart off to me and be abusive and he will be punished. I'm proud to teach my kid about respect. By the way, the guest with the deeper voice was great. He makes sense. Common sense. I love the last thing he asked about going into another person's house and peacefully start using their stuff. He's like, what would you do? You going to use force? Call the police? The other guy's like, Hmmmm..... Idunno..... LOL!!! See, I'd be like. Get the fuck out of my house. I'd get my gun out and point it in his face and say, NEVER come back. If he didn't leave I'd shoot him in the face. Hey, my home is my castle. Don't fuck with my castle. The law would most likely not prosecute me if a robber came into my house and I shot him.
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