stigskog Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 I am meeting a Swedish politician today and need to persuade her that 6665hours of compulsory school is not neccessary for my kids. She has 4 kids and works in "child care central" .. which is like the local doctors (state run) for kids here in sweden .. so i guess she has loads of barriers aginst being open to reason and evidence. The trouble is there are 13 a-holes who get to decide how much to steel from my family every week that I dont force my kids to go to one of their schools, so i have to persuade them or leave the country. She is the first one i have to persuade. By the way we have started a facebook group for Swedish unschoolers ... https://www.facebook.com/groups/236574749814115/ people are actually cagey about revealing their identity.. probaby partly due to the Dominic Johansson case.. Anyone is welcome to join except government types who are not.
Existing Alternatives Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 You are effectively asking a power-hungry bully to relinquish some of her power… Best of luck! Are there lobbyists in Sweden? These folks usually know how to bribe a politician in a way that makes everyone feel good about it. Maybe you can raise enough money for that. If that’s not an option, you need to evaluate what keeps you in a certain country – maybe moving could be beneficial on more than just education options.
stigskog Posted April 17, 2013 Author Posted April 17, 2013 Thanks for the support. All done now. 12 more to go. Maybe I will do better next time, Now I feel a bit degraded by the experience. Trying to argue with a politician is a bit like begging. I love the way Marc Stevens corners the judges with his questions .. which might not be wise in a court situation ... but in my situation dealing with these people it might be more effective by using their own ego against them. Any ideas for lines of questions ?
PatrickC Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 Thanks for the support. All done now. 12 more to go. Maybe I will do better next time, Now I feel a bit degraded by the experience. Trying to argue with a politician is a bit like begging. I love the way Marc Stevens corners the judges with his questions .. which might not be wise in a court situation ... but in my situation dealing with these people it might be more effective by using their own ego against them. Any ideas for lines of questions ? My initial thoughts were, despite the 'begging' you are feeling.. The outcome is likely to be a better one for your children.. Begging in this situation is entirely understandable, if that makes sense. Hopefully that can ease the pain of those subserviant feelings you might be experiencing in these conversations. []
MarkIX Posted April 17, 2013 Posted April 17, 2013 My suggestion would be to begin with the end in mind. You need to make it easier or more pleasurable for them to help you rather than go with the default. Start with the attitude that these 13 people (don't call them assholes that's pre judging) are there to help facilitate your path through the regulations put in place by others. They are after all not the ones that put the regs in place they just oversee them. If you go in accusatory you will prompt them to be defensive that won't help you.
stigskog Posted April 18, 2013 Author Posted April 18, 2013 Hi Yes, i totally agree , so far I have discovered that the kommuns do not operate under any rules as to how they coerce families in to school, they just have a law above them saying they must coerce families in to school (which i imagine they love.. because it means they can do what they like on the day.. and it depends how fawning/nice we are to them) If I can also understand their reasons for supporting this maybe I can show them that our family is a) not abusing our kids , b) educating them at least better than the average in schools and c) that socialization is better out of school than in school .... but i think by "socialization" they actually mean "becoming statist".. so that might be tricky Thanks for reminding me of my main purpose here, thanks to xelent too.
ribuck Posted April 18, 2013 Posted April 18, 2013 Find out the law in your country regarding campaign donations. There's nothing a politician likes more than to be re-elected.
stigskog Posted April 18, 2013 Author Posted April 18, 2013 ha ha ha ha! At the moment there is none... but there will be transparency on donations over $2750 in 2014.
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