Woolwich, SE London. Machete Attack On Soldier.

[robzrob]

One of many on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQxdB44fKm8

[robzrob]

Can't figure this out.  He sounds like a Londoner not an immigrant.

[Rob_Ilir]

Cult-ure. The smartest people usually get out of the cycle through culture or tax is theft, the others just continue it. Just disgusting, and helpless, and I am not sure which one I am against more.

[JohnDJasper]

I recommend American Everyman for a sensible discussion of the facts about this case.  If anyone will get to the bottom of it, it's investigative journalist, Scott Creighton.

IMO, this has all the hallmarks of a staged false-flag event but let's see how the narrative plays out.

[Formelyknown]

At least the guns are regulated. Phew!

[PatrickC]

IMO, this has all the hallmarks of a staged false-flag event but let's see how the narrative plays out.

You truely believe that a man hacked to death in front of countless witnesses with bloodied hands on Youtube, was a false flag?

 

[Brandon Buck _BB_]

Sadly enough, there are enough indoctrinated psychopaths around that the ruling class doesn't really need false flag operations any more. They can just stir the pot with a bunch of hate thy neigbor messages and then just sit back and wait till something happens organically.

[JohnDJasper]

 

IMO, this has all the hallmarks of a staged false-flag event but let's see how the narrative plays out.

You truely believe that a man hacked to death in front of countless witnesses with bloodied hands on Youtube, was a false flag?

 

To put it into context, I believe that 9/11 with 1000s dead and $billions in property damage was a false flag (not coutning all the dead and damage justified by it over the last 12 years.  I believe that the London 7/7 bombing with numerous dead, 3 tube trains and 1 bus destroyed was a false flag.  Need I mention the Oklahoma City bombing, the 1993 WTC attack, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Anthrax letter attacks?  I have no problem whatsoever believing that this COULD be a false flag and as far as I'm concerned, the onus is on the authorities to prove that it wasn't (not that they'll give a damn what I think!)

Remember what we saw in the video:  A body on the road, some blood trails and blood on one man's hands and weapons, two more bodies on the ground apparently after police showed up and shot the attackers who kindly waited around for them.  None of this is outside the realm of fakery nor does it make much sense.  People who have no qualms about killing or maiming 100s or 1000s will not even blink in sacrificing one or more patsies to promote their agenda.  As far as I'm concerned, I won't trust anything these people say about this event until I've seen the results of the Public Enquiry.

[JohnDJasper]

Further to my previous post, I present this article which goes into some useful detail for discussion:

Woolwich Attacks – Video Mirrors Exact Same Ending as Video of Boston Bombings Shootout

Some of the highlights:

• The similarity with the Boston Bombing "shootout"
• The highly-edited video
• Waiting around for the cops and then rushing them
• The cops immediately applying first aid to the attackers without searching for weapons or worrying about the proximity of their own weapons.
• Bystanders still standing in the street even though they would have been in the line of fire.

 

[PatrickC]

Whilst it's clear there have been false flags in the past and no doubt more in the future.. This incidence was no Gulf of Tonkin or WMD claim. The eye witness and frankly traumatic testimony is enough. I think there is plenty of reason for some muslims to act out this way. Not least a decade of wars in the middle east. Clearly the state takes advantage of these incidences as a means to claim some pseudo virtue, but that's about the only conspiracy going on in this particular instance.

[View:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhtV7qkuNnk]

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[JohnDJasper]

Please allow me to share this comment from Mr Creighton which was in response to a comment left on his blog about how denying Muslim terrorism allows "Muslims to keep their heads in the sand about the extremism that exists in a significant minority of their community."  It represents my thoughts exactly and as far as I can see, it also represents the facts exactly.

Extremism in the Muslim world. As we bomb more and more countries and our ops wage Unconventional Warfare all across Africa and the Middle East, we ship weapons and cash to the apartheid state of Israel, and you think it’s the Muslims who have their head in the sand?

Yes, there is a minority of extremists causing untold suffering all across the country. But [they're] from Wall Street, London and Tel Aviv… not Yemen or Somalia or Pakistan.

Oh I know terrorism exists my friend. It’s called state sponsored terrorism and it’s very profitable for a very small group of people and will remain so as long as the population remains ignorant and willfully blind to this tactic.

 

[PatrickC]

You are conflating matters here.. No one here (I imagine) doubts that the bankers and govts are the major problem, including the warfare classes. However, imagining there is a foxhole for these interests behind every murder (whether described as terroism or not) doesn't serve 'truth' at all well. So let's not get ahead of ourselves and imagine that the state is clever enough to devise all these false flags. Some of which happen simply because the state pisses a certain minority of people off enough to act out in this way.

[JohnDJasper]

 

You are conflating matters here.. No one here (I imagine) doubts that the bankers and govts are the major problem, including the warfare classes. However, imagining there is a foxhole for these interests behind every murder (whether described as terroism or not) doesn't serve 'truth' at all well. So let's not get ahead of ourselves and imagine that the state is clever enough to devise all these false flags. Some of which happen simply because the state pisses a certain minority of people off enough to act out in this way.

 

My apologies for conflating in public! :o)

I'm not saying that there is a conspiracy behind every murder or act of violence.  What I am saying is that there is historical support for being suspicious of every claimed terror attack as, to-date, we haven't seen even one that has stood up to the intense scrutiny of an independent public enquiry.  We know what our governments are capable of because they admit to what they have done in the past but always with an air of "those were different times and we'd never do that today!" We are justified in extrapolating continued criminal behavior based on their previous history and the evidence unfolding before us in current events.  Just listening to the messages coming from the politicians and the media should raise the hackles of any savvy observer.

As an aside, when politicians and their press agents tell you anything, we know that we cannot take what they say at face value.  Some well known examples: 

Nixon:  "I am not a crook!"

Clinton:  "I did not have sex with that woman"

In your earlier post you said "This incidence was no Gulf of Tonkin or WMD claim."  Whatever does that mean?  The WMD claim was made up by the US government to garner support for their eventual invasion of Iraq, just as they have done with the claims of civil atrocities by Gaddafi and Assad, and continue to do with their claims of nuclear weapon manufacturing in Iran.  So, no, Woolwich was not a false claim against another regime's danger to society, ours or their own.  But the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a ship full of dead and wounded, continously attacked by Israeli fighters and warships, the survivors of which were ordered not to divulge the truth of the incident while the politicians used it to justify ramping up the Vietnam War.  I don't know why the Israeli's launched the attack but I have no reason to think that it was accidental especially with a big American flag flying prominently from the mast.  Woolwich was definitely not a Gulf of Tonkin incident in that apparently only one person died and there was no obvious Israeli involvement.

But regardless of the historical precedent, each event must be judged on its own evidence and Woolwich is already looking pretty shaky.  To say that these guys aren't clever enough to devise all these false flags is to overlook their current success rate.  The FBI in the USA are racking up bogus terrorist arrest routinely only to admit that they recruited the patsies, provided the plan and materials and then lay in wait to make the arrests. On one occassion, their patsy chickened out and insisted on flying home to visit his family before the attack so they just arrested him then.  The British seem happy to let the Yanks play this game for the most part but are not above it. They don't make such a show-and-tell of theirs so if you miss the news that day, you probably will never hear about it until the case comes to court.  High profile events such as this are few and far between.

[PatrickC]

For a more rational response to the attacks in Woolwich Glenn Greenwald gives an excellent synopsis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-terrorism-blowback

[JohnDJasper]

 

For a more rational response to the attacks in Woolwich Glenn Greenwald gives an excellent synopsis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-terrorism-blowback

 

That is a very good article which repeats, eloquently, an oft-made point about the incorrect use of the word "terrorism" when members of an aggressor nation's military are attacked in retaliation for that aggression.  Thanks for posting it, xelent.

[PatrickC]

 

 

For a more rational response to the attacks in Woolwich Glenn Greenwald gives an excellent synopsis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-terrorism-blowback

 

That is a very good article which repeats, eloquently, an oft-made point about the incorrect use of the word "terrorism" when members of an aggressor nation's military are attacked in retaliation for that aggression.  Thanks for posting it, xelent.

 

I'm very glad we can both agree on that.. Best wishes.. []