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Do you think that Europe will ever take responsibility and live within their means?

Not Europe.

The people in it can, but not the mental construction called Europe, nor the states that pillage under its name. And not those brought up under government sponsored irresponsibility.

I'm sure we'll see temporary setbacks and adjustments, but the leaches will always suck as much as is available.

When the day comes in which the economic lives of the people are uncollectivised, then we may see a real change.

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What I always find really retarded about the anti-cuts movements

 

is they always have these idiotic slogans like "ABSOLUTELY NO CUTS" which sounds extremist/insane/irrational even to centrist people

 

when they could maybe actually mobilize some cross-political-spectrum support with something more along the lines of

hey, if you don't have money for grandmas pension you sure as fuck don't have money to CONTINUE FIGHTING TWO WARS

 

if the anti-austerity movement proposed cuts to the warfare state as the alternative instead of "No Cuts" sloganeering then they could reignite the anti-war movement which ran out of steam after a couple of years of being ignored.

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The antiwar movement was actually an anti-right movement, it ran out of steam not because it was ignored, but because Obama got elected.

For example, the antiwar Vietnam movement agitated from us a decade before achieving some success.

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The antiwar movement was actually an anti-right movement, it ran out of steam not because it was ignored,

 

That's an interesting perspective as I'm in the UK and it went completely differently over here!

The anti-war movement had run out of steam long before Obama got elected,

 

in 2008/2009 or so, a socialist group based at the uni bussed a bunch of us down to protest the war outside the labour party conference

there was definately a feeling there like these were "the last men standing" who were still turning up to keep the wheels of the anti-war movement turning

 

mostly the usual suspects who would turn up to anti-cuts protest today

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Pronouncements about future spending are cheap to make. Let's resurrect this thread when France actually cuts government spending (without fudges like redefining current expenditure as capital investment).

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The antiwar movement was actually an anti-right movement, it ran out of steam not because it was ignored, but because Obama got elected.

 

This is 100% accurate from the point of view I have here in the liberal stronghold of Athens (not Greece).

When Bush was president, we had daily anti-war rallies. We had regular speaking guests at the univesity from every -stan country you could imagine come to represent the embattled and impoverished nations that were being victimized by imperial thugs.

The very DAY Obama took office, the protests ended. People set about celebrating the president that would "change everything." Now that he has effectively changed nothing, the atmosphere is simply apathetic if not quietly pro-war. The liberals have revealed themselves as hypocrits of the highest order. They hold an unflinching alliegance to their political masters the likes of which would make even bible-belt conservatives blush.

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Pronouncements about future spending are cheap to make. Let's resurrect this thread when France actually cuts government spending (without fudges like redefining current expenditure as capital investment).

 

 

I agree, but just to put in some numbers...France has a GDP of 2.773 trillion dollars as of 2011 and has a debt 90% of GDP.

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