korsurr Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Does anyone here hold credence to the view that the Vatican/Jesuits are really the individuals in control of our 3d plane here on earth? Basically there are claims they have trained all secret intelligence gathering agencies (CIA, SAS, etc) throught the ages, implemented central banks, there members in important positions of power in a variety of affairs, and have orchestrated global suffering and poverty in a variety of other ways. Basically what we do know about nefarious institutions of the world (IMF, Central Banks, Multinational Corporations, governments, etc etc) are they importantly or mainly influenced by the Vatican/Jesuits (with the Black Pope at the top of command)?Here is some interesting reading: http://www.toughissues.org/whatisthegreatest.htmThe reason I am asking this, is because I am having discussions with an individual who is somewhat like-minded. He holds a very important view that the -Vatican- is the source of 'all our worldly ills.' The issue I am having with this, is, I tend to think that it is largely irrelevant what the name of the 'primary source of global malevolence' (if you will) is. IE: I have shown him the 'Bomb in the Brain' documentary, which I believe is very important for understanding root causes of microcosms and macrocosms of suffering. He will turn around and say, 'yes this information is correct, but Stef fails to mention the importance of the Jesuits/Vaticans in orchestrating these things.' *He will even go so far as to say that it is suspect that Stef is omitting the Vatican/Jesuits (ie: in the NSA Snowden True News Video) although the rest of the information is correct...but the most important information (Vatican/Jesuits control the world) is not mentioned. It is true though, that Stef has not mentioned a video about the Vatican/Jesuit/Black Pope New World Order in his videos online. (But so far I am ambiguous on whether it is relevant or not).Thoughts?
Wesley Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 The problem is no one individual or group. If it was just the Vatican, then they would be the crazy people nobody talked to. The problem is bad ideas and the fact that those bad ideas are pervasive in society, inflicted on children, and normalized. Nearly everyone has issues, few realize it, and even fewer work on repairing the damage.
powder Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 a fascinating topic for me, I have been studying that kind of stuff for years. haven't seen the 'bomb in the brain' docu yet so I don't know how that is relevant. a study of history clearly shows that since the time of the earliest 'civilizations' they have all been characterized by the presence of a ruling class with special rights who control and lord over us - which is why I like the work on anarchy. in that sense I would say that it doesn't matter who is at the top of the pyramid of control in society if we just ignore the insane idea that anyone has authority over our lives.
korsurr Posted July 26, 2013 Author Posted July 26, 2013 What was your friend's childhood like? I am uncertain, and do not feel it will be wise to peddle more into it. He is like 60+ and I am 20. He does share similar notions of beliefs as mine: (libertarianism, there are many overt and subtle controls against us from birth onwards, there is and always has been a ruling elite that have been controlling us since ancient times, we are being manipulated not just memetically and phyiscally, but through more sublte things such as GMO foods, sitcoms, corporate fashion trends, etc etc). All I know is that he was in marketing when he was younger, and likes to go around and tell people ways in which they are being controlled by various facets of their external world (friends, family, media, etc).Just, the one thing I cannot really fathom is the importance in revealing 'The Vatican/Black Pope' as a very important instigator of world strife. It gets to the point where he will consider someone an agent provocateur if this information is not included or omitted. Hence, I am very curious as to this topic.. The problem is no one individual or group. If it was just the Vatican, then they would be the crazy people nobody talked to. The problem is bad ideas and the fact that those bad ideas are pervasive in society, inflicted on children, and normalized. Nearly everyone has issues, few realize it, and even fewer work on repairing the damage. I would say that bad people are historically not universally ostracized by others. Tyrants can and have become popular enough to wield power over us. Even on a microcosm level of say, your coworker sociopath can often become popular and influence power over others in his/her sphere. I agree that child abuse in its various overt and subtle problems is a huge problem, and possibly the most important one to understand. a fascinating topic for me, I have been studying that kind of stuff for years. haven't seen the 'bomb in the brain' docu yet so I don't know how that is relevant. a study of history clearly shows that since the time of the earliest 'civilizations' they have all been characterized by the presence of a ruling class with special rights who control and lord over us - which is why I like the work on anarchy. in that sense I would say that it doesn't matter who is at the top of the pyramid of control in society if we just ignore the insane idea that anyone has authority over our lives. That is where I stand currently, and you put it simply and effectively. Could you weigh in some information about the Vatican/Black Pope that you find fascinating? I am very interested. This individual I interact with does like to say, 'all roads lead to Rome' as a sort of closure after he talks about an issue of social manipulation or what conventional people would classify as 'conspiracy theory'
Alan C. Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Public-facing institutions aren't the problem; they're just a symptom. Abolishing an institution doesn't address the underlying problem. If the Vatican suddenly vanished tomorrow, there would still be millions of credulous, feeble-minded people who would find another delusion to embrace.
powder Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Public-facing institutions aren't the problem; they're just a symptom. Abolishing an institution doesn't address the underlying problem. If the Vatican suddenly vanished tomorrow, there would still be millions of credulous, feeble-minded people who would find another delusion to embrace. agreed, after studying and researching all of the control systems (religion, government, etc) and their historical roots I was convinced that they were (are) the source of all human strife in the world. Still, it is clear that getting rid of them would not solve the problem people aren't ready to give up the crazy idea of authority, they will just look for another 'lord' to tell them what to do. The powers the be are more than happy to provide a new system when they see the sheep getting restless. When the subjects realized that they could cut the head off the evil king if they were too oppressed, it was time to introduce democracy - ie. we will let you choose your oppressor (or the face thereof) to give you the illusion of freedom - bring on the revolution! I am uncertain, and do not feel it will be wise to peddle more into it. He is like 60+ and I am 20. He does share similar notions of beliefs as mine: (libertarianism, there are many overt and subtle controls against us from birth onwards, there is and always has been a ruling elite that have been controlling us since ancient times, we are being manipulated not just memetically and phyiscally, but through more sublte things such as GMO foods, sitcoms, corporate fashion trends, etc etc). All I know is that he was in marketing when he was younger, and likes to go around and tell people ways in which they are being controlled by various facets of their external world (friends, family, media, etc).Just, the one thing I cannot really fathom is the importance in revealing 'The Vatican/Black Pope' as a very important instigator of world strife. It gets to the point where he will consider someone an agent provocateur if this information is not included or omitted. Hence, I am very curious as to this topic.. I would say that bad people are historically not universally ostracized by others. Tyrants can and have become popular enough to wield power over us. Even on a microcosm level of say, your coworker sociopath can often become popular and influence power over others in his/her sphere. I agree that child abuse in its various overt and subtle problems is a huge problem, and possibly the most important one to understand. That is where I stand currently, and you put it simply and effectively. Could you weigh in some information about the Vatican/Black Pope that you find fascinating? I am very interested. This individual I interact with does like to say, 'all roads lead to Rome' as a sort of closure after he talks about an issue of social manipulation or what conventional people would classify as 'conspiracy theory' certainly the babylonian/roman cult is the oldest organization of control the 'civilized' world has ever seen. the road can be traced back thousands of years and the cults, symbols and rituals are that old, and that road does end up in Rome for sure. I don't think it is a happy coincidence that the roman church rose up out of the ashes of the roman empire and that the first pope was an emperor, that their title is the same 'pontifex maximus' the head of the spiritual cult of rome, that almost every capital building in the western world is a replica of st peter's and has an obelisk in front, etc, etc. the Jesuits, yeah, they are scary beyond imagination. "The Jesuits are a MILITARY organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power – power in its most despotic exercise – absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man [i.e., the Black Pope, the Superior General of the Jesuits]. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms [sic] – and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses…" Napoleon Bonaparte
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