FORCIBLE CIRCUMCISION TURNED THIS MAN INTO AN ANTI-CIRCUMCISION ACTIVIST

[Rob_Ilir]

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/forcible-circumcision-turned-this-man-into-an-anti-circumcision-activist

 

 

 

In 2006, Paul Tinari was granted $12,000 by the government of British Columbia to have foreskin restoration surgery. When he was eight years old and boarded at a church-run school in Montreal, Paul was forcefully held down on a desk and circumcised, because a priest had reason to believe Paul had—God forbid—masturbated. Paul is Metis, and his story is another seriously disturbing instance of church abuse in the era of residential schools. Paul claims the practice was routine and could have happened to thousands of young First Nations boys trapped in the system—though that is impossible to confirm, especially given theCanadian government’s lack of transparency regarding the residential schools issue. We talked to Paul over the phone about what he went through, why it may have occurred, as well as his the outspoken opinions in support of the anti-circumcision ‘intactivist’ movement.

VICE: Can you tell me what happened to you, back then?
Paul: Sure. My mother was widowed very young, so she put me into this boarding school in Outremont in Montreal. It was run by the church. It was actually a convent, but the priests had access to it. Now it turns out, I read many years later, that one of the nuns made a formal complaint she was getting regularly raped by the priests. So when I heard that story, I decided to come forward with my story that I’d kept hidden for all these years. That was the impetus that got me to go public with my story.

Your circumcision took place in Montreal?
Yes. Essentially what happened was there was another boy there who didn’t like me at all so he decided to set me up. He told one of the priests he’d seen me masturbating. And this was a known evil, something you should never do. It wasn’t true, but he told the priest that.

And you were eight…
I was about eight, yes. I didn’t know anything about masturbating. I was totally innocent… Anyway, so late, late one night—we slept in a big dormitory with all the other boys—and late one night the priest came in and really roughly pulled me out of bed. He brought me down the stairs, he brought me down the hall, and he brought me to this room where there was this bearded guy. I didn’t know what was going on. It took me a long time to figure out what role these people played. It turns out that the guy with the beard who was wearing a beanie and a black suit was a mohel. A Jewish circumciser.

They pulled my pyjamas down and then tried to pin me down to the desk, but of course it’s easier to do that to a baby than an eight year old. I fought back. I kicked one of the priests who was holding me down in the nose, and their response to that was to actually break my arm and break my nose. So I had a broken arm and a broken nose—which I still have to this day. He pinned me down, the guy put a clamp on my penis, and they performed the circumcision right there on the desk with no anaesthetic, no disinfectant, no nothing.

So as a result of this I had very serious infections for many, many weeks and months afterwards. Matter of fact, I had a chronic infection for the rest of my life until I had corrective surgery…  He took so much skin off that I wasn’t able to have an erection without great pain.

Jesus.
Yeah... It was horrible. That’s how I went through my life until my 40s, when I had corrective surgery. I’m one of the few people who’s qualified to speak to what’s it like to be intact, then circumcised, then intact again. For any man who’s circumcised and says there’s no difference, he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. Since I’ve had restoration surgery my sex life has improved 1000%. There’s no comparison. It’s like going from black and white vision to colour vision.

The Catholic Church—in Montreal in particular—has a history of withholding documents, pertaining to their role in the residential school system, from the Truth and Reconcilliation Commission. Do you think this kind of punishment was being done on a broader scale? You must not have been the only one.
I was told that if I told anybody or if I talked to any of those boys that I would go to hell, and in those days I believed that. But I do believe that several of the other boys were treated the same way even though we never discussed it among ourselves. We were in fear. I don’t know if you know what it’s like to live in total fear, every day.

And the people who did this to you, do you think they believed in the religiosity of it? Did they think they were really doing God’s good work? Or was this based in something more sadistic?
What you have to do is go back to the Middle Ages and look at the witch burnings. It’s hard for us in our present, modern world to get into the mindset that existed at that time, but you have to realize that the witch burnings were not an act of hate, they were an act of love. The compassion for the person, because they considered the body the mortal flesh to be disposable and all that mattered was saving a person’s soul.

So if these guys thought they were doing right—the priest and the mohel—do you think they should be held criminally responsible?
Of course. Regardless of their religious beliefs… For one thing they didn’t have my parental consent. I was an underage minor and my mother never gave consent, and I didn’t give consent. So today, we teach kids to say no to adults who are touching them inappropriately, right? Well, I said no, and no one listened.

Can you get into the industry of circumcision a bit?
If there was no profit to be made in circumcision it would have been abandoned long ago. But Dr. Kellogg [a man who invented Corn Flakes because he thought "bland foods" could "curb passions" and allegedly thought circumcision could "cure" masturbation] realized he was making a fortune circumcising children—the parents were paying him to circumcise their children to prevent masturbation —so he taught, basically all the original doctors to perform circumcisions in the United States were trained by Dr. Kellogg. And you’ve got to realize he knew what he was doing. He was inducing sexual dysfunction because not only did he think that masturbation was evil but he also thought that sex itself was degrading. He advocated celibacy that sex was unhealthy as something evil, so he believed that rendering the penis dysfunctional was a good thing.

Do you have any idea if he was circumcised?
No idea. He probably circumcised himself. The guy was crazy enough to do that… So anyways, the industry grew up that discovered that foreskin is highly useful stuff. Actually from the 1980s on that it’s very useful for many, many products and so the profit is enormous to be made from this. So there’s a multi-billion dollar industry driving continued circumcision.

What kind of products are we talking about? It’s blowing my mind that there’s a commercial market for foreskins. 
**Foreskins obtained from circumcisions are used by bio-chemical and anatomical researchers to study skin. It’s used to make skin for burn patients, for skin grafts. It’s used for anti-aging skin cream… it goes on and on. There’s one doctor in Vancouver who boasts about having performed over 35,000 circumcisions and he’s charging about $200-$400 at a time [it can be up to $1000 in Ontario]. Do the math about how much he’s earned. He’s earned millions.**

 

This cattle marking business is just sick, despite what people say about cosmetics, hygiene and all that, they always fight children. 

[RestoringGuy]

It only takes athletic or medical tape to hold skin over the glans for a couple days to notice a jump in sensitivity.  A simple experiment to try.  There is a media blackout on foreskin restoration.

[SBRFS]

Here's a question I've always wrestled with:  In a scenario like that listed above, would a passerby be justified in using deadly force to prevent the involuntary mutilation from occuring?  Similarly, though I assume it would be acceptable for the victim to use deadly force to prevent the attack, would it be right for him (in whatever weakened state he may be) to use deadly force after the attack?  Where do you draw the line between "stopping that guy from mutilating me" and "stopping that guy from getting away with mutilating me", or even "stopping that guy from getting away with mutilating someone else"?

 

On a less horrific note, about a year ago, I got the idea of circulating the Doctors Opposing Circumcision "Genital Integrity Policy Statement".  I had a few bound copies made, but then ran into a stone wall when trying to get a list of local obstetricians.  Do you have any suggestions how I can accomplish this without going through the phone book line by line?  And how does one actually deliver the information to the doctor (and get it back in one piece)?  I would expect that receptionists are trained to pre-emptively dispose of any literature that might be "morally inconvenient" to the doctor's practice.

[RestoringGuy]

Do you have any suggestions how I can accomplish this without going through the phone book line by line?  And how does one actually deliver the information to the doctor (and get it back in one piece)?  I would expect that receptionists are trained to pre-emptively dispose of any literature that might be "morally inconvenient" to the doctor's practice.

On the use of force, it seems OK to use proportional force to stop assault of a child.  They operate behind closed doors, and justice will take a long time.  But whether force or literature, these folks are objectively worse than pedophiles and to get them to change is impossible.  I think the only social momentum has been gained by informing expecting parents and telling them before it's too late that we are hurt.

 

It also helps to make proof by contradiction airtight during social debates involving moral obligations.  Somebody says "I am against X" (discrimination, taxation, rape, sexual harrassment, hate speech, child abuse, etc.), you can respond "OK fine but you do not speak out against circumcision, and X is less intrusive.   Why the hypocrisy?  You should defend X also."

 

Personally, I do not think state/institutional attitudes will change much (though it does not hurt to try).  There is a desire of bureaucracies to remain distant and compartmentalized.

[Guest Exceptionalist]

Foreskin restoration? It sounds like costmetic surgery to me, since I doubt that you can actually restore nerve fibres. I assume, your foreskin is numb after the treatment.

[RestoringGuy]

Foreskin restoration? It sounds like costmetic surgery to me, since I doubt that you can actually restore nerve fibres. I assume, your foreskin is numb after the treatment.

The regenerated tissues are certainly not numb.  A main upshot is dekeratinization of the glans.  Many nerve fibres are simply concealed under keratin layers.  There is the added bonus of not requiring artificial lubricants for comfortable vaginal intercourse.  Intercourse can be prolonged with moistness held in place.  This is the gliding effect, as opposed to the lubricant-required dry scraping feeling which comes from a tight-cut.

[LanceD]

Foreskin restoration? It sounds like costmetic surgery to me, since I doubt that you can actually restore nerve fibres. I assume, your foreskin is numb after the treatment.

 

As an unclipped male i'll tell you that the foreskin itself doesn't need to feel anything. It's a matter of protecting the head of the penis from constant rubbing on clothing and things that cause callouses and desensitization.

[Guest Exceptionalist]

As an unclipped male i'll tell you that the foreskin itself doesn't need to feel anything. It's a matter of protecting the head of the penis from constant rubbing on clothing and things that cause callouses and desensitization.

 

Certainly you can restore the function of the foreskin but you cannot undo the torture. Despite of that, you can say that about almost any type of prosthesis but the nerve fibres are there for a reason, they give you feedback about harm, e. g. if something is excoriated. Personally, I wouldn't accept just a 95% restoration.

 

Did you ever jerked off that often, that your foreskin was excoriated afterwards? It happens at times.