Dire Avenger Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Hi! I'm new to the board, and to the philosophy of anarchy. I've been reading Stefan's book "Pratical Anarchy", and going through his youtube videos. I've become very passionate about anarchy, and I've been talking about it almost non stop. As I said, I'm new to the philosophy, but generally when I'm asked a question about it by people, I can provide answers. I was talking with my fiance about it the other day, and she asked me "Who would investigate and break up sex slave operations in a free society?" I wasn't quite sure on an answer, and I didn't want to provide one that wasn't accurate. Leave it to her to be the one to perplex me. So, I wanted to ask the people who would know. How would you respond to this question? Am I missing something stupidly simple? Thanks in advance!
Kevin Beal Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Hi Dire! Welcome to the boards So I think I might have a few things to say that may be helpful. The first thing is that there are, of course, more than one reason why people buy these services, but it would seem to me that one of the reasons is that they would simply want to buy sex. And to that end, a free society would almost certainly have brothels with adult, consenting women (and men) to provide such services. That would be a pretty immediate step in the right direction. There are other factors that I think are worthy of consideration as well simply from an economic standpoint. In a free society without minimum wage laws, immigration laws or work permits, these people who would otherwise find themselves in the position of being in such desperate situations that they may be kidnapped or coerced somehow into being sex slaves, would have an opportunity to work and take care of themselves, possibly buy some insurance against kidnappers even. Having a free society means incredible economic growth and capital accumulation which benefits everyone who trades directly or indirectly with the people of this future free society. It's my understanding that typically it's not the valley girl who gets kidnapped and forced into such an evil situation. It's usually people who are from third world countries or other similarly desperate situations. And an increasingly wealthy world means that less people are in these kinds of horrible situations. Stef makes a good case that in order for there to be a truly free society, we need to focus on the healthy raising of children, and being that no one who was mentally healthy would buy the services of a sex slave (much less do the enslaving), it would seem to me that evil in general, statism, sex slavery and whatever else, would be much less of a problem. These are more preventative measures and they don't really answer who will break up these sex slavery rings. And I think it's important to realize that government isn't solving the problem currently. From what I hear, there are still sex slaves in the U.S.! I don't know how this could be solved after the fact except maybe through investigative journalism, that exposes these groups thus making it harder to get away with things, find it impossible to trade with anyone from the free society and other similar penalties. I personally would provide resources to a group who used force to stop slavery of any kind. It would constitute a kind of self defense and could be justified morally. Does that help?
MysterionMuffles Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Another tactic is simply admitting that you don't know, but that all you know is that our current system is not effective to begin with. Anything that could replace that would be infinitely better since so many crimes remain unresolved anyway. But uhhh what Kevin says has more bearing on reasoning and logic lol.
Josh F Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 In a free economy, anyone with any interest or concern would be free to invest and pursue any number of tactics to reduce sex slavery. Likely a plethora of approaches, peoples, funding, investing, etc. would be trying to solve the problem from different angles. Unfortunately now we only have the resources and approaches which are allocated by a politician, whose electoral base is likely not heavily influenced by sex slavery. Like, how hard is it to catch these guys? From a tactical perspective, it is fairly easy. Undercover cops look for prostitutes, and investigate the situation. Sex slaves aren't limited to remote smoke filled secret society rooms, the vast majority are available to the public for sale, it isn't that difficult to prevent. In government where these things occur, local government officials are often bribed or part of the act itself.
Lians Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 I'd like to offer another approach in addition to what has already been said. You can turn the question around and ask her: "Would you donate to an organization that does these things?" She obviously cares enough about this topic to bring it up, but she's certainly not the only one. Let's suppose a free market society doesn't solve the problem through prevention. There would be former victims, their families, support groups and people that simply care enough to fund an organization that deals with these kinds of issues. The whole point of a free market isn't to have pre-canned solutions. It's the free flow of resources towards what people find valuable. If sex trafficking is a problem, there could be hundreds of approaches you can take (RFID implants, DRO prevention training and so on and so forth). The role of the market would be to maximize the efficiency of the solution through a price mechanism. If someone can solve the problem using less resources than the competitors, s/he can offer a lower price for the service and attract more people. All it takes to get the ball rolling is a group of individuals willing to pay for this kind of service. Your girlfriend seems to be one of them, so this answer might appeal to her.
Phuein Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 While often enough parents can force their daughters into nasty situations, it is quite different from a protected market of sex trade. These criminals are protected by their local governments. Only a legal authority can protect such obviously criminal activity, such as otherwise only happens in war. This question is based on the same fallacy behind the idea that the government "doesn't let companies pollute and destroy the natural environment." Reality shows that it is exactly that same government, which encourages and protects those criminal companies. "Corruption of government officials and police is necessary for trafficking and exploitation of large numbers of women and children. In sending countries, large-scale operations require the collaboration of officials to obtain travel documents and facilitate the exit of women from the country." - The Demand: Where Sex Trafficking Begins by Donna M. Hughes Professor & Carlson Endowed Chair in Women’s Studies University of Rhode Island "Human trafficking is the second most profitable illegal activity in the world, after drug trafficking... There is little risk because in countries with laws criminalizing trafficking, criminals often escape prosecution and convictions." - Wikipedia
Dire Avenger Posted October 15, 2013 Author Posted October 15, 2013 Thanks for the responses, everyone. It was all very helpful I was thinking that is what I ought to say, but you guys put it into words better thank I could.
EmperorNero Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Slavery is really a money-losing venture, unless it is subsidized by the state or the or the economy is very backwards. That's why manual labor slavery always goes away when countries get free markets. Today slavery is only present in more socialist countries. And in the US sex slavery is mostly present in more statist parts of the country, e.g. northern California.
disobey Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Slavery is really a money-losing venture, unless it is subsidized by the state or the or the economy is very backwards. That's why manual labor slavery always goes away when countries get free markets. Today slavery is only present in more socialist countries. And in the US sex slavery is mostly present in more statist parts of the country, e.g. northern California. Yes, running a brothel legitimately would be infinitely more profitable. But I'm curious as to why you think sex slavery is more prominent in Northern California. Do you have any sources? Just curious.
Kevin Beal Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 And in the US sex slavery is mostly present in more statist parts of the country, e.g. northern California. That's hard to believe (being from northern cali). There are legal brothels just across the border in Nevada.
Livemike Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 Hi! I'm new to the board, and to the philosophy of anarchy. I've been reading Stefan's book "Pratical Anarchy", and going through his youtube videos. I've become very passionate about anarchy, and I've been talking about it almost non stop. As I said, I'm new to the philosophy, but generally when I'm asked a question about it by people, I can provide answers. I was talking with my fiance about it the other day, and she asked me "Who would investigate and break up sex slave operations in a free society?" I wasn't quite sure on an answer, and I didn't want to provide one that wasn't accurate. Leave it to her to be the one to perplex me. So, I wanted to ask the people who would know. How would you respond to this question? Am I missing something stupidly simple? Thanks in advance! People who wanted to make a shitload of money? Ok, each sex slave is probably being forced to perform at least 2-3 sex acts a day against their will, for at least months. Assume at least $1,000 each compensation owed by the slavers to the sex slaves once it gets to court. And that's conservative, historically people who have been raped by slavers get a lot more. So say 2-3 times/day * 6 months * $1,000 = $360K-$540K. Assuming their rescuers get only 10% of that you're talking a decent income for a year from simply finding two prisoners, freeing them, and getting them to court with the evidence. And that's not even counting potential payments from DROs whose clients you free. Of course this begs the question, why would anyone be a sex slave trafficer in the free market? They get shot at by DROs marksmen trying to rescue their clients (and bear in mind the more they physically wound they wound or kill sex slavers, the more people will want to be their clients) roving bands of rescuers break in and they're competing with people who actually WANT to perform the sex act for money, who don't need fortifications or guns to guard their business.
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