My moving out plan(s). Help

[aFireInside]

Oky so I want to move out for sure by 2015. (summer/ spring) 

There is too much abuse and need to breath. 

 

I will receive my AA in computer science by that time. 

 

1.) One way out is get any job or jobs, then move out. 

 

 

2.) Another way out is to transfer to University of California Irvine, (My councilor said i could get a guarantee of transfer. i just need to fill out an application and keep my GPA above 3.4)

And move far away from my parents.

 

 

 

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The down side of the first one is that if i had the perfect parents, i would want to be a computer scientist and solve those huge problem with my knowledge. (especially since I'm an anarchist) 

And my parents would want me not to succeed (academically )

Also i would be working minimum wage jobs since an AA won't really get me any job right away. I would have to make my own job and be creative while working. which is definitely one choice i got. 

 

Finding a job is very possible i think, when you have the whole day free i could probably get any customer service job i want and work two jobs to pay for rent. 

 

The down side of going to college is obviously the money, and lack of emotional support. (its a big step) Especially to a big university like UCI where  all the students are asian with very academic backgrounds. 

 

I could get loans and it wouldn't be as much since its just for two years and i could receive my Bachelors degree. And from there Im sure to get a good job. Many companies hire straight out of that college its known for its computer science school.

 

 

 

Obviously i don't know what is the best choice i thought about all the down sides to each. 

 

 

And i understand that school isn't important but i think that for engineering or science degrees, the formal education is helpful. 

It helps to be around like minded people all day . 

[Emanuel]

Hello Ivan, I'm sorry that you're in such a bad situation. Where are you moving out from exactly?

My first thought was that you're planning on moving out in more than a year. That doesn't really ring with your need to get breathing room, at least to me. 

Tell me what you think about that time frame. 

 

I don't think I understand the downside to getting a job, it's not very clear to me. It certainly is possible to get entry-level service jobs if you don't have much or no experience. Have you worked before?

Are you getting into debt to pay for your college education or are your parents/caregivers paying for that?

 

It must be hard on you to not get the emotional support you feel that you need right now. 

 

You say that two years isn't much. That's not quite true. In my opinion, two years is a really long time, that you can make lots of different things happen inside of. I wouldn't be so quick to put value on academics.

You also don't know what the hiring environment will be like in a few years if you get your Bachelors. 

 

If you were to relocate to a cheaper area, work less and spend more time making friends, or going to therapy, getting that emotional support, maybe that would be preferable for you?

I obviously don't know what's best, but it seems to me like you think you must keep going to school. 

 

When you say that a degree is helpful, do you have the opinions of professionals and people in the field? 

If the people around you don't provide you emotional support, or reject you and your emotions, how can you say that you're around like-minded people?

 

These are just my thoughts, and I hope they give you a bit of what you might have been looking for. Please let me know what you think.

[aFireInside]

Thanks for your response. 

 

Well the downs sides of getting a job are non, but finding a job is the problem. (a job in which can help me pay for an apartment and food etc.. ) 

also, allot of jobs require degrees and or experience in that field. (well jobs i would like) 

 

I worked before for a year to save money for school but i used my parents car and they helped me with food ...etc. 

 

 

I don't think two years to finish my degree is allot because i worked for a year and that went by so fast. 

(also when you are actually studying what you are interested in time goes by so fast) 

 

 

And the two years are in school... The one year is the time frame i want to move out in.... 

 

 

Its a hard decision because i wish i could have everything move out have a place go to school to finish up. 

go to therapy and have friends. 

and freedom 

 

 

All things i want, and it sucks to choose from a few. 

 

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One last rant about school . 

allot of people say school is useless but allot of people i admire at least got there BA degree. 

They all say if you know what you want to do in school its a good idea but if you don't its a waist . 

I know what i want from it exactly, the team work experience and the piece of paper , the formal education, the job opportunities after, the internships.

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If i just decide to drop out i remind me to much of my past, i never stuck to anything, (instruments , hobbies ) 

 

I really wish i could have both. Something allot of people don't have to worry about. 

[LanceD]

Have you considered moving out of California? Living on your own is surely a daunting task in a state with such a high cost of living. However supporting yourself is much much easier in a myriad of much more affordable locations.

 

The day I turned 18 I moved from Southern California where I grew up to Iowa. The cost of living there is so low I was able to survive quite easily on minimum wage, which at the time was $5.15 an hour, until I got my GED and moved into my now career.

 

Also while college can be good, at least as far as this broken society is concerned, heading out into the work force can potentially be much better. I'm a high school drop out with zero college who simply worked very hard since I was 18 and I make more money then most of the college educated, and indebted, people I know.

 

Hell my cousin just finished getting his masters in California, realized no one wanted to give him a job and decided to go for a phd simply because the college offered to continue his scholarship and in his eyes he had nothing else to do.

[aFireInside]

Have you considered moving out of California? Living on your own is surely a daunting task in a state with such a high cost of living. However supporting yourself is much much easier in a myriad of much more affordable locations.The day I turned 18 I moved from Southern California where I grew up to Iowa. The cost of living there is so low I was able to survive quite easily on minimum wage, which at the time was $5.15 an hour, until I got my GED and moved into my now career.Also while college can be good, at least as far as this broken society is concerned, heading out into the work force can potentially be much better. I'm a high school drop out with zero college who simply worked very hard since I was 18 and I make more money then most of the college educated, and indebted, people I know.Hell my cousin just finished getting his masters in California, realized no one wanted to give him a job and decided to go for a phd simply because the college offered to continue his scholarship and in his eyes he had nothing else to do.

 

 

wow thanks i never really thought about that. 

What state would you recommend ? ( I heard good things about texas) <---- no state taxes and less regulations 

 

 

 

What is your cuzins degree on ? 

I know for sure right now i wouldn't want to do that. Especially since i spent so much time just saving up money, and didnt pay attention in high school so i had to re learn everything. 

and i would basically spend my whole youth in school which i defentally don't want . 

Im a free market person so i like to think i know what I'm doing . 

[LanceD]

His degree is in chemistry I believe, but maybe he mentioned friends majoring in that and I'm forgetting something. Either way it's a complete waste of his life and intellect.

 

As for locations you could possibly move to I have a few ideas.

 

First thought, do you have any friends or family (that isn't terrible) living out of state? I didn't pick Iowa on purpose, I had a friend who was moving out there with some family they offered me a place to stay until I got on my feet.

 

Next idea is to look into employment opportunities across state lines. If you can find a job and have a little money saved beforehand you could do the move with relative ease.

 

As far as places to look I would consider republican states, preferably the ones without income taxes. They tend to be the least restrictive and the strongest economically.

[Macro]

Hey, nice to meet you Ivan!

 

I hope this goes without saying, but I'm sorry to hear about your situation. I'd like to give you a bit of perspective on the job market for computer scientist in Texas as I am a currently imployed CS major who lives in the state.  It's a great place to be in the tech industry as we have had a lot of boom in this feild over the past few years leaving a demanding job market that has fairly stable employment rate. Couple that with the fact that we have lower than average tax rates for the state and overall its a great place to start your work life.

 

I would suggest you try and decide on moving close to, but not into one of the major tech cities (Austin, Dallas... the list goes on).  As for getting the job there are plenty of programming and IT positions around that even a AA degree should be enough to get you in the door as long as you have a personal portfolio of example code you have completed.  Also you'll need some form of easily accessible transportation, a personal car is normal but there is always the bus system or even rail ways in some areas.

 

But essentially, if your going to move anywhere just make sure you run your numbers on cost of living.  Though it is easier to live here than in most places you should make sure your expectations for what you'll receive are realistic, for example your not likely to get a town home for $500 a month but you can probably find a confortable apartment that comes with the basics for that price.  The added benefit is that there a lot of school in Texas dedicated to Engineering and Maths with a great Computer Science program that local, such the Univeristy of Texas sister schools, that you could like get accepted to and attend for a reasonable price. Out of state at my school on a full course load is approximately $7000 I beleive, which though would be difficult to acqure on an entry level job is not as bad for an entry level tech job.  I'm still in school and make above $20 an hour doing web developement so by spending frugally you could save to attend school while working, if you choose to do so (though honestly in the tech industry as with many others experience trumpts education).

 

I just wanted to try and help you out with what I know about the state you were considering moving to. I hope this helps and good luck.

[aFireInside]

Thanks for all the replies this helped me allot . 

 

 

 

of course i could never predict the future but now i have more option . 

 

thank you .

[LanceD]

Just remember Ivan. You can device to educate yourself on any topic, at anytime in your life. However staying in an abusive situation is delaying the necessary healing process and simultaneously increasing the amount of time it will take, as well as increasing the amount of money you will have to spend on therapists.College is expensive on its own, then add the money you could have been earning to the cost and compound all of this by realizing your education is coming at the cost of your sanity and emotional well being. This will have an incalculable cost and be a detriment to every aspect of your existence.So please, I emplore you to really think about this. Is a college degree and the potential for greater economic opportunity it may bring you really worth the cost?

[aFireInside]

Just remember Ivan. You can device to y educated on any topic at anytime in your life. However staying in an abusive situation is delaying the necessary healing process and simultaneously increasing the amount of time it will take, as well as increasing the amount of money you will have to spend on therapists.College is expensive on its own, then add the money you could have been earning to the cost and compound all of this by realizing your education is coming at the cost of your sanity and emotional well being. This will have an incalculable cost and be a detriment to every aspect of your existence.So please, I emplore you to really think about this. Is a college degree and the potential for greater economic opportunity it may bring you really worth the cost?

 

 

Thanks for that. 

I will definitely keep that in mind when making my decisions. 

 

I still have time to think this over... 

 

 

Thanks for your reply and advice 

[LanceD]

Look at all the typos in that post! If you can't tell I did it on my phone. I'm gonna have to clean it up for posterity's sake.

 

Anyways I wish you all the best. If you need anything else just ask