ThatAtheistPlace Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Really nice to see a well deliberated version of (Essentially) Stef's Feminism podcasts:
Jorell Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 That's clever, and refreshingly straight-forward (at least the attitude in which it's presented)... in a somewhat related note, looks like there's also a growing market for cartoon doodling in the world of abridged research-findings animations!
PatrickC Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Interesting video Phee.. Sexual Market Value (SMV) is a long overlooked dynamic in relationships of course. However, I would say that the short supply in marriage is not just about the pill. It's also about welfare too. Both situations tend to reduce the necessity or desire for marriage, for both men and women. Not just men.
dsayers Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 This was an engaging and fair introduction to the topic, but it certainly isn't the whole picture. I could have 100 naked women bent over in front of me and it's still my decision to say, "I want more than just ease of access." Self-knowledge would lead to better informed decisions even from the resources perspective the video focuses on. It requires better parenting to make self-knowledge seem important. Of course self-knowledge enhances the ability to parent as well. They had me up until the very end. I'm not talking about speaking as if the pill was the only factor, which was indeed off-putting. I was referring to their claim that the marriage market goes to the men. While there's a State in play, particularly one that clings to antiquated standards of women as fragile, the men could get their ass KICKED having done nothing wrong other than not choosing a better partner. In ways that don't happen in reverse. It's a shame that no reference to this very important things were not made. State programs have been more influential in these matters than the pill has been. I really liked the art style though, particularly the extra lighting given. It was very creative. It's a shame that so many hours of work end up in the amalgamation of just a few minutes of video.
EllieChu Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 It's a shame that no reference to this very important things were not made. State programs have been more influential in these matters than the pill has been. This is very true especially in my experience. I receive more benefits being a single woman than I would if I were to marry my boyfriend. Especially that I am going to college right now, I receive more grant money from the government versus if I was married and my boyfriend's high income was considered in the mix. The state programs have a huge impact on couple's decisions of marriage. The pill has given us more of an active sex life, but the cost of birth control/prevention is another factor also (which the State controls).
Jorell Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 State programs have been more influential in these matters than the pill has been. The state programs have a huge impact on couple's decisions of marriage. In the police line-up of the usual suspects, it is disappointing that they put the spotlight on the pill, and an unflattering spotlight at that. Another thing I found off-putting was likening the alleged unintended consequences of contraception to pesticides - that comparison feels really messy at best... I could throw a dart on my screen at a list of Karen Straughan videos, single out a paragraph at random and probably get a more accurate analysis on the same theme. My biggest objection though is that they limited the Male rationale to the incentive of obtaining unlimited sexual gratification, and not other influences; frankly when I was single my first consideration of having illicit sex was impregnating a woman in spite of contraceptive means (condoms still report having a 13% fail rate) and living with the consequences of that mistake... (both in life, and State-enforced consequences)Second, was the fear of becoming careless and catching a disease, third was the fear of entering a State-enforced contractual relationship that may not have lasting viability (bringing us back to #1)... finally, the 4th influence was "If I'm single I can play the field."So, in my personal experience there were 3 precedent considerations before the incentive for care-free sex - most of which were influences of fear not incentives.
Brandon U Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Awesome. I just hope none of the girls I date see this...
dsayers Posted February 27, 2014 Posted February 27, 2014 Another thing I found off-putting was likening the alleged unintended consequences of contraception to pesticides - that comparison feels really messy at best... I didn't feel as if they were likening the two. As I watched it in the moment, it felt as if they were just providing an example of what unintended consequences could look like. By the end though, seeing that they were focusing on the pill and it was made by a university, it might've been a subliminal stab of sorts. Speaking of the pill, it's not just for birth control. I have dated a couple girls that said they're on it even when they're not sexually active because it makes their periods significantly more bearable.
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