MartV Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Stefan often talks about corrective mechanisms that exist in the free market, but doesn't this flow of the free market frequently cause human collapse? For example, he once mentioned the case of a polluting company, completely disregarding the fact that a company can just change its name or relocate, which is merely the most extreme example. So basically, it's like shoving human corpses in the furnace of free market? Where are the safety nets? Doesn't Stefan dismiss this as socialism/marxism/state violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew79 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 So basically, it's like shoving human corpses in the furnace of free market?With this, and your replies on your other thread, it's obvious you're nothing but a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartV Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 So no safety net to neutralize the corrective mechanisms of the free market? Btw, I'm very disappointed that you chose to use such an evasive, mindless and childsih phrase as "troll". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endostate Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Where are the safety nets? Why not insurance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynicist Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 So you think that a company with lots of factories will be able to get away with polluting the environment and then simply change it's name and nobody will notice? Or that moving the factories they own in order to relocate will somehow be cheaper than properly disposing of their waste? You ask where the safety nets are as if they exist today; When BP pollutes the ocean they pay a small fine and continue. Based on your post I'm inclined to believe you haven't put much thought into this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartV Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Based on your post I'm inclined to believe you haven't put much thought into this idea. I can say the same for you, it's like you are not even living on this planet. Of course people will do everything possible to avoid the corrective mechanisms of the free market and thus avoid their own physical collapse or deterioration. What living organism wouldn't? The entire system of free market incentivizes predatory behavior, creating even more corpses when there are no regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsayers Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 It was suggested that you're a troll because you're all output, no input, and resort to ad hominem as extreme as "not even living on this planet" regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartV Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 It was suggested that you're a troll because you're all output, no input, and resort to ad hominem as extreme as "not even living on this planet" regularly. I would say that you are confabulating in the lieu of substantive response while using the preset language of this community, but I don't want to hurt such delicate flower any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsayers Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Haha! Thank you for making my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartV Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Haha! Thank you for making my point Likewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartV Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Also, what about the non-human sacrifice to the altar of free market, like planned obscolescence which has a horryfing toll on the environment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endostate Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 planned obscolescence How does government prevent planned obsolescence? horryfing toll on the enivronment Isn't the US Department of Defense the largest polluter in the world, producing more hazardous waste than the five largest US chemical companies combined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartV Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Wait, who exactly is gonna protect you from Islamic fascism and imperialism without the US DOD? Sure, you can say that USA is an evil empire and for the most part you would be correct, but Islamic cancer is far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aikenrooster Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Yeah, free people wouldn't ever think of creating and subscribing to their own armed protective services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovePrevails Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Well, first of all states have killed up to 500 million of their own people in the last century + war - so I would say States are an altar of permanent human sacrifice So you think that a company with lots of factories will be able to get away with polluting the environment and then simply change it's name and nobody will notice? If that happens even once it is very easy to prevent from happening again. All you do is build preventative measures into their insurance contracts, maybe certain individuals will be made liable and they have signed a contract saying they can be arrested, fined, made to make restitution, even punished, if they renege on the deal. You could agree for them to be electronically tagged in case they fled Or you could have a third party take control of a certain amount of funds and have the power to extract that 500mil or whatever from their bank account for contract violations or basically anything you can think of the broker will dream up something that is fullproof it will optimize over time with trial and error its really quite simple once you get the principle down one person finds one kind of contract that seems to work, and then other people keep on besting it until there is a system in place which is continually self-optimizing which is the opposite of government which puts a system in place that kind of sits there like a rock that the river tries to run round but always somehow finds a way no matter how you carve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endostate Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 who exactly is gonna protect you USA is an evil empire and for the most part you would be correct, but Aren't you currently eight times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist? How does the state help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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