NonPatrician Posted April 4, 2014 Posted April 4, 2014 RE:http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/04/missouri-house-votes-to-nullify-all-federal-gun-control-measures/#.Uz7uhvldVa1 People understand the argument at least fundamentally when framed at the state vs federal level. Why is it such a radical change to swap out their state for themselves and the feds for government in general? How awesome would it be to see this line in the news instead: "The people in this area are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to a government. Whensoever a government assumes undelegated or undelegatable powers, its acts are unethical, immoral, unauthoritative, void, and of no force." It's frustrating being dismissed out of hand instead of engaged and debated sometimes. Just wanted to vent I guess.
proveamerica Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 I used to worry myself sick about what I would do when the Feds outlawed this gun or that and what it would mean... Confiscation, loss of other freedoms, decent into unbridled tyranny. I didn't connect 2 and 2. That scenario happened long before most people were born. Western governments issued passports, social security identification, government controlled healthcare, and gun control from the opening to the first quarter of the last century. We've just been living in that world ever since. When I glimpsed how hopeless fighting the onslaught is "why even try?" was all I could ask myself. Then the answer came: let the state fall of its own actions. The state condemns itself of its own volition. We non-state entities can sit back, witness the state's Romanesque decay and stand up as free individuals and communities in the aftermath. Such a self implosion could be amazing to behold or it could be disasterous for any freedom loving people caught in the state's death throws. Either way I recognize there's not a damn thing I can do about it while the 100 year momentum of decayed liberty rages on to its logical end.
dsayers Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 Get to know your neighbors and make friends with them. The only way an actual gun grab could play out is if they did like in New York where they bribed slaves to turn in other slaves that were known to own guns. I agree with Stef that slave on slave violence is the State's real power.
proveamerica Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 I agree with Stef that slave on slave violence is the State's real power.I totally agree. Stefan spoke at a libertarian/ anarchist convention, where he talked about state suppression being horizontal and not hierarchical. I have experienced this from so called conservatives in my area and family. The second I would like to talk about taxes as theft, Federation as nationalism, voting as violence, etc. I know that my neighbors, family, and colleagues would be the ones to appose me, not some far away dictator or "representative". Gun control will come horizontally, not vertically.
NonPatrician Posted April 7, 2014 Author Posted April 7, 2014 When I glimpsed how hopeless fighting the onslaught is "why even try?" was all I could ask myself. Then the answer came: let the state fall of its own actions. The state condemns itself of its own volition. We non-state entities can sit back, witness the state's Romanesque decay and stand up as free individuals and communities in the aftermath. That is a painful decision for me to make. I am driven to DO SOMETHING for the sake of my kids if nothing else. Though, I suppose youre right, there's really not much that can be done. Live a good and moral life, raise your children well. That seems to be Stefans answer. I have much more to learn though. Thanks for the conversation.
proveamerica Posted April 8, 2014 Posted April 8, 2014 Stefan has a great video Q&A when he answered a young person interested in politics, saying something like being concerned about politics is like being caught in machinery that is chewing you up. That resonated with me. I am still interested in the world changing for good, but I can't put my emotions into the politics side of it anymore, because at least in the US both parties are statist and statist. It's like being to a smaller degree in the reichstag circa 1930 with Communists sitting on one side of the chanceller and National Socialists on the other. In the US, it's Demicratic Socialists on one side of the president and Demicratic Mercantalists on the other side and either one is equally militaristally fascist in foreign policy and law enforcement. When that's the hand you're dealt it at least pays emotionally not to play. I may just be post-ex-facto justifying that I can't emotionally do it anymore.
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