NGardner Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I haven't seen her since Christmas. She asked me if I was avoiding her. I am avoiding you. I have been examining my childhood and I can't forgive you for what occurred. I can't trust you. The children you claim to love should never have been exposed to such toxic abuse. You may think that I have had lots of good times with my stepdad, but I would trade them all to have never been exposed to his verbal abuse. It was an experience that has scarred all your children. I am currently trying to repair the emotional damage I experienced as a child. It hurts to get screamed at by a large man, it hurts more to watch someone who "loves" you continue to allow this influence to be in your life. You were supposed to protect me from people like this, but instead you actively brought this person into my life. I thought that maybe I might have been overreacting but it has haunted me into the present. I am emotionally fucked up. When I'm vulnerable I shut down completely, turning off all my emotions. This has made it impossible to engage with people on any meaningful subject. It is a like a form of emotional PTSD. I have been attacked so many times in an emotional state that I now assume an attack is coming whenever I open myself up to someone. I can no longer overlook what happens in your home and laugh like it's a joke. Its abuse. You are not a victim in it, but an active participant. I will not feel comfortable entering that toxic environment again. I'm in tears right now. I don't want to hear excuses for your behavior. There is no excuse for not protecting your children. I am starting therapy next week to hopefully salvage my broken soul. Please let me heal. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherapple Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I'm so sorry for what you went through. I hope your mother responds with some level of curiosity and that you are finding people you can talk to about your experiences past and present. I can identify with having a mother who brings horrible people into your life, and what that does to your ability to empathize with yourself later in life. Cheryl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. D. Stembal Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Wow, that is a powerful message. Congratulations for taking a brave and honest stand! Did you attempt to talk to her about her second husband's verbal abuse over Christmas and not gain much traction? I hope you realize that she will most likely not honor your final request for healing. Once she realizes that you are going incommunicado, she will get scared and seek you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovePrevails Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I am sorry to hear that you are experiencing such horrendous difficulty as a consequence of all the introjects of your childhood. I commend your bravery and wish you fast and effective healing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelAnn Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I am so sorry about the abuse you endured. I think that message is powerful and drives the point home. It's wonderful that you are seeking therapy. I would also suggest keeping a journal to recall all of your childhood experiences and thoughts, if you haven't already. Wish you the best. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMX2010 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I also echo everyone's sadness for what you went through. But more importantly, if this is the first message you've ever sent to your mother regarding your childhood abuse, this will feel (to her) like either "lashing out", "suffering an emotional breakdown", and/or "falling victim to some unknown negative influence that tore you away from her". As such, you should expect her to pursue you, rather than acknowledge your request for distance (as EndTheUsurpation) indicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGardner Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Thanks for all the support. Here is what i got in reply. [*] Nick, I'm sorry you feel this way and I hope you get to a place where you feel better. I only want the best for you.You might consider talking to your therapist about cycles of abuse and narcissistic personality disorders I am always here for you. and I love you so much and that won't ever change. [*] I should have explained the narcissism comment - at the very least my father was a narcissist and I am slowly moving out of the role of the victim parent. [*]You might want to read what I am reading now (this was independent of your FB message) http://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/parents-empowering-themselves-for-their-childrens-sake/#utm_source=New+Life&utm_campaign=24fc6bd11e-My_Most_Important_Artcile_and_Radio_Show_Ever&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_005709a593-24fc6bd11e-407346389 What a complete lack of thought, sympathy and empathy in return to me pouring my heart out. My decision to defoo is reinforced by her response to my complete honesty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherapple Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 What strikes me is the distance. She didn't respond specifically or curiously to anything you said. "I'm sorry you feel this (strange) way and I hope you get to a place (over there) where you feel better.... You might consider talking to your therapist (but not to me)." Is she calling you a narcissist? "(I) won't ever change." The "you might want to read what I'm reading" part is angering on several levels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culain Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Ngardner I feel for you man. I sat down one afternoon and spent 3-4 hours composing an e-mail of all my thoughts and adverse childhood experiences for my mother to read and understand how she was involved in those experiences. It was a very difficult message to write but I wanted to write it with the intention of leaving myself with no regrets and saying everything I needed to. The reply I received was not unexpected, actually I almost fully expected it but it still dug at my heart because I still had some hope that maybe if I exposed myself enough she could learn to have empathy. She replied in a manner where she took no burden of responsibility for any my adverse experiences, it was all my fault. Some people are completely devoid of empathy and the ability at which they attempt to fake it is truly disburbing. As Stef said in a recent show (paraphrased): It's the insidious dangers that you need to worry about the most. The evils which present itself as good are the most harmful to us as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Withanametocome Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Nick, I'm sorry you feel this way and I hope you get to a place where you feel better. I only want the best for you.You might consider talking to your therapist about cycles of abuse and narcissistic personality disorders I am always here for you. and I can tell you all of this straightfaced because I am not your mom, that is, I did not allow the trauma to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGardner Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 What strikes me is the distance. She didn't respond specifically or curiously to anything you said. "I'm sorry you feel this (strange) way and I hope you get to a place (over there) where you feel better.... You might consider talking to your therapist (but not to me)." Is she calling you a narcissist? "(I) won't ever change." The "you might want to read what I'm reading" part is angering on several levels. Yeah I wasn't sure if she was calling me a narcissist or herself. Given the emotional distance from herself the whole reply she was probably saying I was the narcissist. O boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedouin Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I'm very sorry to hear that, and for the fact that you had to write it in the first place. I felt, as I read it, that I could connect on quite a few points. Still yet to get heavy on my mum. Still dependent. Anyway, I hope that whatever happens is for the best and that it all 'works out' as best it can now... What you wrote is very strong and brave. Hopefully you can regain some further strength from the therapy (it's great imo) and finally move on. In regards to therapy and self knowledge and healing in general, I highly recommend you give some of Daniel Mackler's videos a look https://www.youtube.com/user/dmackler58/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGardner Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 I sent the conversation, between my mother and I, to my siblings. I really want them to get the full story so that I am not painted by my mother as outrageous of selfish. My older sister has shown me more sympathy than my mother already. She currently is of the mind to forgive, but never forget. I will have to say this experience was incredibly liberating. If you have not told abusive parents the honest truth I highly recommend it. I was ridden with guilt for not visiting my mother before this. Now the truth is out and I don't have any guilt not visiting. I can now dispel the myth of my mother as a good person in bad circumstances. She is not a nice person and her reaction is all I need to confirm my past abuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Sorry to hear about your childhood, I hope therapy helps and you can move past it. I didn't bother writing a letter or discussing my childhood to either of my parents, they both moved away from me in early adult hood and it didn't take much to let the relationship dwindle, as I've got older and as I've watched more philosophy shows and thought about this issue, your parents are just other people, nothing special, just someone you have a biologically programmed bias to give preferential treatment to. I know that my mother is fairly uneducated and don't know much about my father, but they're both not very smart people, I don't think either of them really knew anything about parenting, certainly not the kind of information we have today on how to raise children well, and a lot of that isn't even their fault. I'm saying this not to excuse them but to point out that it would require a lot of education to really make them understand the error of their ways and it's just not worth the effort, they're not having anymore children they can't really do anything to undo the damage so what's the point. I've been considering therapy for myself regarding my childhood, I'm trying to think of a motivator to make myself go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGardner Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Both my parents were university educated. My mother has 2 science degrees. So the low education, stupid parent thing isn't valid there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fractional slacker Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 That is an honest letter. I am sure it wasn't easy to write. Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powder Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I sent the conversation, between my mother and I, to my siblings. I really want them to get the full story so that I am not painted by my mother as outrageous of selfish. My older sister has shown me more sympathy than my mother already. She currently is of the mind to forgive, but never forget. I will have to say this experience was incredibly liberating. If you have not told abusive parents the honest truth I highly recommend it. I was ridden with guilt for not visiting my mother before this. Now the truth is out and I don't have any guilt not visiting. I can now dispel the myth of my mother as a good person in bad circumstances. She is not a nice person and her reaction is all I need to confirm my past abuses. Good for you Nick. that was a good letter and I was actually surprised by her response. Getting a "I'm sorry you feel this way" from someone who has hurt you is a real kicker for sure. She did not show any empathy or sincere sympathy or curiosity, or take any responsibility. The part about narcissism sure says a lot, I am just not sure what. I don't think she is calling herself a narcissist but her response is exactly the kind of thing a narcissist would write. Good luck, looks like you are on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGardner Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 Had my first appointment with the therapist. It went really well. Very understanding of the situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude_Abides Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 NGardner, I really empathize with you. If I was to write a letter to my mother (whom I've been avoiding for months/years), it would be very similar in nature. I commend you for confronting her about it, it must have been very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGardner Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 NGardner, I really empathize with you. If I was to write a letter to my mother (whom I've been avoiding for months/years), it would be very similar in nature. I commend you for confronting her about it, it must have been very difficult. It has been extremely freeing. I no longer invest time being anxious about our relationship. No guilt, no fear. I don't know your situation but I suggest everyone should write an honest letter to their parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisN Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 That "Sorry you feel this way" kind of response you got really pisses me off. It is unbelievable how little responsibility many parents take for their actions, mine included whom I recently got a similar response from in person. Had my first appointment with the therapist. It went really well. Very understanding of the situation. I know therapy is something Steph often recommends people go into to help heal themselves but I haven't gone yet myself. What kind's of things did the therapist ask and tell you? What process did you go through for finding a good one? It's so aweful when you find out that gut feeling you had all along about people who claimed to love you was utterly spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGardner Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 15 months since my last contact with my mother. I don't think about her more than once every two weeks. Its very weird like she is dead. She did try to see me when I was visiting my nephews. I decided not to go and this is what happened. I took out my family's names. (my sister) Hey Nick. Great to see you and meet X the other day Just wanted to let you know that (stepdad) is never allowed back at our house nor am I every going to visit again. He and Mom came to visit yesterday and he yelled at (my son) at the top of his lungs, lost his temper and used profanity in front of my children. Unbelievable! (my son) was so upset and hurt and I am furious! Mom was very embarrassed and horrified he acted liked that and sent me a text saying her and (stepdad) were done. I hope this is the final straw for her and she realizes that (stepdad) has damaged her relationship with you and now because of him there is a strain in my and hers relationship and with the boys. Anyways...take care and have a good holiday then a few days later Hi Nick. I know you are not talking to Mom right now but she wanted me to tell you that she and X are welcome to come to the cottage for Thanksgiving. After the whole (stepdad) and (my son) thing she felt really bad and was thinking if that is the way he treated you and made you feel she feels awful and is very sorry. That incident that day was the last straw and her and (stepdad) are separated now although still living together. They plan to sell the house after a year when they get divorced and then I don't know where Mom and Grandma will be going I feel good knowing I have shed light on an abusive situation and my sisters are now starting to take action following my example to disengage with abusers. Just an update for anyone who is interested 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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