Difficulty with the Police.

[Kason]

Personally,

I am terrified of the police. I've had terrible interactions with them and I've never broken the law.

 

 

Someone posted this video on Facebook and it just blows me away.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1452259305034363

 

I just saw this video on facebook and it makes me want to walk around armed. But if you fight back with an abusive cop it'll just make things worse for you.

What can you do to survive an encounter with an abusive cop?? I can't imagine what would be happening if I was assaulted by them.

[Free Will]

Hi Kason,

I share your terror. Every time a cop pulls behind me while driving my heart beats faster, my legs turn into rubber, and i feel sick to my stomach for about a minute or until he leaves me alone.

 

I didn't watch the video because I get the sense from you that it is the type of footage that causes my terror and anger, and I have seen enough police YT videos to have an idea..I think.

 

I break the law routinely (non-crimes of course) and I very rarely have any interaction with police. The best advice I can give is to completely avoid them in the first place. If you get into a situation where you are forced to interact with an armed abusive cop, unless he is actually trying to kill you, I suggest complete submission to his whim if you want to survive.

[fractional slacker]

I am not a cop defender. They are disgusting, sick in the head, power hungry, statist conforming retards, at the very least. But my observation has been only a small fraction of a percent physically abuse or terrorize their customers without some provocation. Not saying the provocation justifies their abuse, but that provocation (yelling, swearing, talking back, physically resisting) is what the copper uses to rationalize their tyranny.

So while there is no guarantees  you won't win the bad cop lottery, suffice to say if you act like they are important, never bruise their fragile egos, and basically surrender to their unjust authority, I would say it is very unlikely you will experience anything you might have seen in that video.

I hope that was helpful.

Terrified is a strong adjective. Why do you feel terrified of police?

[Free Will]

I don't think you're asking me but...After how you described them, are you not terrified of the police? They're proactive enforcers of violence that believe that their crimes are virtuous. To me, bears and serial killers are not even as terrifying and dangerous...statistically that is probably true as well.

[Tree Frog]

Cops have killed over 5,000 citizens in the US since 9/11. The civilian death rate is about equal to the number of soldiers killed in Iraq. It is actually 8 times more likely to get killed by cops then terrorists.

 

Funny Right?

 

The Police state legislation passed to protect the citizens after 9/11 has actually done nothing more than take our freedoms, invade our privacy and leave us is a body bag. 

 

I'm gonna leave this quote here:

 

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin

[nathanm]

When in doubt, cops should be treated as wild animals.  They don't understand your human ways, they are potentially deadly and you should not provoke them.  Sure, some animals are also friendly just like cops can be, but you can't afford to assume that.  It would be nice if they acted like firefighters, but that is not the world we live in.

 

With any luck they will leave you alone.  2nd stage means you will have to pay them money. 3rd stage means you're going to be physically injured, killed or jailed.  You absolutely should defend yourself if it comes to that, but if you have any control over your side of the interaction don't let it come to that.  They can and will get away with murdering you and get paid for it. The law is worthless.

[J-William]

 and I've never broken the law.

 

See here's your problem right there how can you know the number of times you have broken the law? There so many laws and whether or not you have broken them is generally up to the interpretation of the cop on the spot.

You probably broke three laws this afternoon, how would you ever know? 

 

But if you don't wants to have a bad interaction with cops try your best to not have interactions with cops.

 

It seems counterintuitive but I feel less worried about cops here in China then I did back when I used to live in the US.

 

If you just focus on the actual likelihood of a bad encounter with police, you most likely to be okay especially if you are white and middle-class. Most white people never have a bad encounter with a police officer and if they do it's because they were doing something stupid or obviously illegal.

 

So don't worry be happy!

[Free Will]

 Most white people never have a bad encounter with a police officer and if they do it's because they were doing something stupid or obviously illegal.

 

So don't worry be happy!

 

I agree with the sentiment of your entire post but this statement is patently false.

 

After asking about this topic in the chat, all of the people that responded,  said that they have never had a bad encounter with the police. I think they were all white middle-class too.

So maybe you are onto something...I actually thought the majority of all people had bad encounters usually.

[Kason]

 

 

When Should You Shoot a Cop?

Larken Rose

 

 

 

Published on Nov 9, 2012

This is my infamous "When Should You Shoot a Cop" article, as read by me, with way cool visuals and other stuff added by the cool dudes at CopBlock.org. Let the emotional tantrums begin!

 

 

I think the argument put forth in the video is valid.

I really need to arm myself. But - that would be illegal at the moment.

 

Thank you so much for this post!

[Bipedal Primate]

 It seems counterintuitive but I feel less worried about cops here in China then I did back when I used to live in the US. 

I agree, I currently live in Beijing and never feel any stress when I see cops. Like many others, I always cringe when a cop car pulls up behind me whilst driving in the US. I also lived in Shanghai for 3 years and Hong Kong for 7 years.May I ask, where do you live in China and how long have you been in Asia?

[J-William]

I agree, I currently live in Beijing and never feel any stress when I see cops. Like many others, I always cringe when a cop car pulls up behind me whilst driving in the US.I also lived in Shanghai for 3 years and Hong Kong for 7 years.May I ask, where do you live in China and how long have you been in Asia?

I live in the fair (fairly polluted) city of Ningbo.

 

How's your Chinese? I usually pretend I'm real bad at Chinese when I have occasion to be around cops or security guards. I don't think there are many countries where foreigners are treated with as much deference as they are in China.

Course last I actually interacted with a cop they had set up a checkpoint for people on electric scooters to make sure they weren't driving drunk or something, cuz a few people had been killed doing that about a year ago. and they were ever so friendly (to me and other people...)

 

I don't know the exact causal relationship, but the fact that China has not fought a war since 1979 means they have not been generating the kind of brutal psychopath warrior class that the US has. So... while it is dangerous to be a dissident in police custody because you might slip, fall and sustain numerous injuries and then accidentally hang yourself (not that that doesn't happen in the US, just ask the guy the FBI shot while they were interrogating him after the boston marathon bombing).

 

Because they've not had wars you are not as likely to meet a cop who has actually killed someone in China. 

 

Does anyone know if that 5,000 people killed by cops includes people who were supposedly guilty or just people who were innocent?

[Ace]

You're much better off just playing along and appealing to their authority. Recognize where you do and don't have choice. When you are under the authority of the police in a specific situation, you do not have a choice.

 

You can do what a lot of people do which is mouth off and start talking about your rights, but for all practical purposes that's just going to get you a worse outcome. You want to do whatever you can to expedite yourself through a situation where you are being compelled to comply by the use of force.

[shirgall]

I just saw this video on facebook and it makes me want to walk around armed.

 

As a firearms instructor (including a law enforcement firearms instructor) and decades-long carrier of firearms, let me point out that doing this makes you even *more* nervous, as I have observed many police that have an irrational fear of armed "civilians". Not only that, when you point out to them that people are categorized as either "soldiers" and "civilians" and police aren't soldiers, some can get really irate.

 

The key to working with police is mindset. In their position they are trying to decide if you are a victim or a perpetrator. The quicker you are submissive and polite, the less likely you will be treated as a perp. This is why we give advice like the following to concealed carry students:

 

When you are getting pulled over:

 * turn on the light inside your car,

 * take off your sunglasses,

 * put your hands on the wheel so they can be seen,

 * turn off the radio and the car engine,

 * pull off in an area that is safe for the officer to walk up alongside your car and see inside.

 

When you are being talked to on the street

 * keep your hands out of your pockets and in plain sight,

 * avoid reflexively checking to see if your gun, knife, or wallet are still there (a common bad habit),

 * absolutely do not assume the "ready" stance (feet shoulder width apart, non-dominant foot forward, hands at chest level -- police and shooters see this stance hundreds of times when they practice with a holster),

 * answer questions with facts when asked and positively identify victims and perpetrators in your narrative,

 * absolutely point out useful items of evidence if necessary, but don't add useless information

 

Avoid voluntary contact with unknown police as they will always revert to "interview" mode. This hardly ever is beneficial. If they approach you, try to identify if they are being friendly or if you are interview mode.

 

Etc. etc.

[RuralRon]

I agree Compos, what shirgall suggested does sound sheepish. However, it's also important to count the costs of your actions. Given how cops these days are trained, and how easily they feel threatened (how insecure can that be, to feel threatened when you have a gun and the power of authority?), it's better to live another day to fight for freedom where you can be effective, even if that means you must give up some in the short term.

 

It's not an easy call to make.

 

I don't know if it was this thread or somewhere else but I saw video recently, something like "this is what happens when you call the cops", and it just really pissed me off. Big time

[shirgall]

Perfect advice for a slave!

 

There's a time to fight, but you should never chose to fight someone that's prepared, capable of anything and likely to get away with it, and expecting obedience to their authority on their own chosen ground.

 

You don't fight a bully when you backed into the corner in the locker room with only his buddies looking on, you fight him in public scrutiny of his actions with options on your side.

 

If you get their mindset away from considering you prey, you may not even have to fight at all.

[J. D. Stembal]

As a firearms instructor (including a law enforcement firearms instructor) and decades-long carrier of firearms, let me point out that doing this makes you even *more* nervous, as I have observed many police that have an irrational fear of armed "civilians". Not only that, when you point out to them that people are categorized as either "soldiers" and "civilians" and police aren't soldiers, some can get really irate.

 

The key to working with police is mindset. In their position they are trying to decide if you are a victim or a perpetrator. The quicker you are submissive and polite, the less likely you will be treated as a perp. This is why we give advice like the following to concealed carry students:

 

When you are getting pulled over:

 * turn on the light inside your car,

 * take off your sunglasses,

 * put your hands on the wheel so they can be seen,

 * turn off the radio and the car engine,

 * pull off in an area that is safe for the officer to walk up alongside your car and see inside.

 

When you are being talked to on the street

 * keep your hands out of your pockets and in plain sight,

 * avoid reflexively checking to see if your gun, knife, or wallet are still there (a common bad habit),

 * absolutely do not assume the "ready" stance (feet shoulder width apart, non-dominant foot forward, hands at chest level -- police and shooters see this stance hundreds of times when they practice with a holster),

 * answer questions with facts when asked and positively identify victims and perpetrators in your narrative,

 * absolutely point out useful items of evidence if necessary, but don't add useless information

 

Avoid voluntary contact with unknown police as they will always revert to "interview" mode. This hardly ever is beneficial. If they approach you, try to identify if they are being friendly or if you are interview mode.

 

Etc. etc.

 

I took a defensive carry class once. The class was taught by two former cops that had moved into the consultation business. I was concerned by their casual attitude toward the 5th Amendment during the classroom segment, and their concern that constitutional enthusiasts are giving pro-firearm promoters a bad name. They openly praised our motives for taking the class and pursuing the legwork toward obtaining a concealed carry permit - yet, we are expected to fully cooperate with the local police to be cataloged as a weapon wielding citizen, while simultaneously expecting that this information will never be used against us. I have decided not to pursue obtaining a concealed carry permit.

[shirgall]

Strawman argument! I didn't say anything about "fighting them". I said don't engage them, and if that can't be helped, plead the fifth. I also posted a video supporting the position I hold.

 

Sorry, I misunderstood the thread, then. The situation originally stated was fear when being engaged by a police and a desire to be able to fight back. I was pointing out that there are ways to get through the situation, even while armed, without too much physical unpleasantness.

 

In was in this light that I read your post, so I may have read more into it than I should. I'm sorry.