papatree84 Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Since Scotland is part of the traditional common law system I have been following the coverage of the vote to be really interesting. I think that Scotland has the chance to set the interesting precedence of a move from larger government to a small even, dare I say, minarchist government and even eventually total freedom. What do you guys think of this?
PatrickC Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Whilst I can see your point about more localism leading to less govt. The fact is Scotland will no doubt just apply the same legal system as they have in the rest of Britain, with all the encumbering entitlements and public services that go with that. The Scots have an insatiable appetite for freebies and handouts, as is proved by even the currently more available entitlements the Scots have over the English. The SNP is essentially a socialist party, not unlike the Labour party and are fervent supporters of the EU. They will effectively be trading places with Downing Street to that of Brussels. They will be relying heavily on EU support no doubt. I'm no supporter of national identities, but one has to wonder why some Scots would believe Brussels to have their best interests rather than the British. Unless of course they imagine it's a re-enactment of the 'Auld Alliance' with the French. 1
Boohickey11 Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 I would highly recommend listening to this interview by the Mises Institute regarding the Scottish independence vote.
PGP Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 It is my view that euro govs are now just conduits for law and cash to and from Europe. Problem in the country? : Not our fault, we have to do what Commissioner Euroweenie said. "Success" in the country?: You're welcome, don't forget to vote! If a yes vote goes through (And I'm nailing my colours here saying I hope it does (just to piss London off), but it hasn't a snowballs chance IMO), there will be a smaller geographic area governed, that is all. Salmond and his crew are socialist to the bone and I refer to what Maggie Thatcher said about socialism. Except this time, they won't have access to the London ATM anymore. 1
dsayers Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 If you guess that the answer to 2+2 is 4, you're no closer to understanding maths. If you guess that government involvement in only specific areas is bad, you're no closer to freedom. Either theft, assault, rape, and murder are immoral or they are not. If they are, then there's no reason to accept any government. If they're not, then there's no reason to dial back any government. The people voting could be using that time to either study morality themselves or if they have a grasp, to make the case to others. Until it becomes unfashionable to advocate coercion, you cannot trust any steps towards freedom to be lasting. It needs to be a principled conclusion rather than a lucky guess. 2
Tree Frog Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 That would be nice if that was indeed the situation. The problem is "The Scots" want a larger government with greater taxing, welfare, and spending powers. Sure, its freedom from the "Crown" but at this point it is not freedom from the state. The "Aye Vote" is not a vote of "More Freedom vs. Less Freedom", its a vote of "Poison vs. Poison".
st434u Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Something important to consider on why all secessionist movements are for the better in the long term, and should be supported:
powder Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Since Scotland is part of the traditional common law system I have been following the coverage of the vote to be really interesting. I think that Scotland has the chance to set the interesting precedence of a move from larger government to a small even, dare I say, minarchist government and even eventually total freedom. What do you guys think of this? If it did not support the agenda of the ruling class it would not be offered as an option. The rulers are never interested in smaller and less when it comes to power and control, governments don't want to shrink anymore than cancer does. The EU is the next step upward for the Scots if they want to be 'free' of England, it is not a step towards minarchism and more freedom. Besides, why choose to have less cancer when you can choose to be healthy and rid of the scourge. 1
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