NameName Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 This week, I was with a group of about 6 or 7 people. I am an atheist, two are Christian, the rest are agnostic. We were having "Deep life chats" and I'm not like an annoying athiest who says "Your god is a murderer!" and stuff. I didn't even talk that often, but when I did, people would listen at first, but since I did not propose a purpose for life, they were not interested. If I had not been christian, but would have proposed something like altruism as the purpose of life, they would have listened to me. But agnostics only desire to find their "Purpose". So, instead they valued talking with the Christians about a wizard in the sky and his ghosts. I know there's really no good reason for it to bother and I sound like a bitter jealous guy. But it kind of pissed me off that people value stupid children's stories and fables over rational information that is new to them. I felt kind of insulted. But yeah, that's basically my rant. I think Agnostics are basically the same as religious people. They just believe in some sort of higher god or reason and believe everything has a reason and most of the same stuff theists believe in.
Lars Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 In an increasingly multicultural and philosophically stagnant society, one should expect the rise of agnosticism. We're biologically programmed to conform (whether it be for survival, favors or companionship) and there's no better scatter-shot 'tolerance is a virtue' ideology. Atheism threatens the fragile bloated social-sphere of a typical agnostic. They have no desire to explore truth as it relates to reality lest lose many 'friends'.
Carl Green Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 How does atheism restrict there being a purpose in life?
Lars Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Why must we pretend to know the answer to an impossible question in order to achieve happiness?
NameName Posted September 24, 2014 Author Posted September 24, 2014 Athiesm proposed the idea that life has no determined purpose. Not that life sucks or anything, just that you need not rely on anything for meaning, you make your own. They have no desire to explore truth as it relates to reality lest lose many 'friends'. That is a great point actually. It's never like "I am strongly agnostic", it's more like "Yeah, I don't really know... So, I'm agnostic". It's never a pursuit of truth, more a belief in apathy.
dsayers Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 I think Agnostics are basically the same as religious people In terms of intellectual sloth, they're identical. I once described myself as agnostic as I understood it to basically be the position of, "How COULD I know?" The answer to which is logic, reason, and evidence. Once I was taught to observe my own capacity for error, everything I took as proof that there must be something larger than the universe went right out the window. I really got a kick out of hearing Stef point out that omniscience and omnipotence are in opposition. This stuff only flies with people who aren't thinking. Agnosticism is like saying, "I'd rather not piss anybody off than exercise the most important 'muscle' I have: my brain."
NameName Posted September 24, 2014 Author Posted September 24, 2014 In terms of intellectual sloth, they're identical. I once described myself as agnostic as I understood it to basically be the position of, "How COULD I know?" The answer to which is logic, reason, and evidence. Once I was taught to observe my own capacity for error, everything I took as proof that there must be something larger than the universe went right out the window. I really got a kick out of hearing Stef point out that omniscience and omnipotence are in opposition. This stuff only flies with people who aren't thinking. Agnosticism is like saying, "I'd rather not piss anybody off than exercise the most important 'muscle' I have: my brain." Hmmm, that seems like a good assessment. Yes, I think agnosticism is either laziness to pursue truth, or fear of it, or both. However, I would still much rather hang out with agnostics than religious people.
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