PetrKL Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 It's like.... where would you even begin? You'd think that for a guy who advocates elimination of waste and sustainibility P-Jo would have more sense than to make almost 2 thousand copies that only take up storage place for years. Instead he blames the market ... again Your thoughts about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuzzums Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 "People don't buy my DVD's therefore free market doesn't work, also structural violence." - Peter Joseph 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychophant Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 He is working hard, plays his cat music regularly the whole day long but nobody leaves a dime in his bucket, so the free market fails again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_LiveFree_ Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 omg, the projection.... "This system is one massive waste machine." No, Peter. You are. If you really want to talk about waste, just look at nature. Every time I ejaculate, that's millions of sperm just wasted, oh the horror. Over my whole life time, I think I'm into the trillions. What kind of genocide is this! Damn you nature!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsayers Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 @PetrKL: Source? The following is predicated on him actually saying those words: It starts by saying the market has found a new way to piss him off. The market is people, so he's complaining to people that they piss him off. While not being honest about who/what he's pissed off at. If waste was his concern, why would he make all those DVDs? Digital distribution networks have been in place for many years now. The claim of "waste" as the problem is again not honest. "inventory doesn't move as fast as Amazon likes" This is again not honest. Amazon's preferences have nothing to do with it. It costs money to maintain buildings and somebody else's stuff in that building costs the owner of the building. It sounds as if Amazon provided this storage up front for free and his problem is that they're taking this generosity off the table as the merch has overstayed its welcome. Rather than be grateful he didn't have to pay for the storage from the get go, he demonizes his business partner for adhering to the terms of their partnership. More dishonesty: He speaks as if he's encouraged to "totally waste" the DVDs. As if he's a victim of a malicious, external source. When in fact the waste was his own error. Not only has digital distribution been around for years, but so has the concept of pre-sale. Pre-sales are an incredibly helpful market signal for gauging interest in your product. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that entrepreneurs have figured out that if you have X pre-sales, then you want to manufacture Y * X units where Y is a factor derived from empirical evidence of total sale to pre-sale ratio. The takeaway is that he's not responsible for any of his actions and any bad decisions he's made are either misrepresented outright or portrayed as a victimization of him. I don't understand why somebody would self-publish such a thing. Doesn't he realize that the market will punish him for being a failure, being dishonest, and maligning his business partner for engaging in the terms HE agreed to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrKL Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share Posted September 30, 2014 @PetrKL: Source? The following is predicated on him actually saying those words: He shared this today on his official Facebook page. I put a screenshot here in case the link didn't work, or Peter deleted the status. Here it is, I hope it works.https://www.facebook.com/peterjosephofficial/posts/755074347863056 But you know. Back before I even knew the word "voluntaryism" I actually used to be a Zeitgeister myself. Crazy times. Basically I was afraid that I'll end up homeless at that time, so maybe that's why The Venus Project was so appealing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanT Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 This is precious? Guy who thinks we should plan the entire worlds economy to eliminate waste, makes the most elementary economic plans.....which end in failure and waste. Yeah it's just projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh F Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 bahahahaha this made me smile! That alone is worth the 1700 DVDs wasted by imprinting Zietgeist films onto them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growler76 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 My (now defunct) unsigned band has sold CDs on amazon for years, sending 10-15 CDs at a time at first and then lowering down to 5-10 as sales decreased, and they have never charged us a long term storage fee. Funny how that works. They actually send a notice when quantities are low to let us know when they need to restock soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirgall Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 My (now defunct) unsigned band has sold CDs on amazon for years, sending 10-15 CDs at a time at first and then lowering down to 5-10 as sales decreased, and they have never charged us a long term storage fee. Funny how that works. They actually send a notice when quantities are low to let us know when they need to restock soon. 1700 3oz DVD cases with DVDs in them is about 318 pounds of DVDs... and they are probably split up amongst a few distribution centers rather than all being in one place. DVD cases are also slightly larger than CD jewel boxes. Eh, not worth spending too much time on this, but it sounds like someone did not partake in "Just In Time" production, let alone the growing trend of digital delivery over physical. I've watched all the Zeitgeist material online through legal channels, never really had much of a need for a physical copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGP Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Reminds me of a Homer Simpson quote when running for office: "I hate the public so much, why won't they vote for me...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Dean Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 what can even be said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-William Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 The market has spoken and it doesn't want Peter Joseph's detritus... He should stay with the pain of failure and not blame others, it might teach him a thing or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livemike Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Amazon is making him pay $1000/quarter to store 1700 DVDs, or about 59c per DVD per quarter. That sounds like a lot. You can have bulk DVDs MADE for about that. Keeping DVDs in a box in a warehouse doesn't sound that expensive. So why charge that much? Are they trying to get rid of "bulk" items that don't sell in bulk? Just leaving their system clear for things that actually move? I don't know. What I do know is filled DVDs are made of Petrochemicals, computer processing and laser use, i.e. really cheap things. So this "waste" is bugger all in terms of resources we're actually short of. Listening to that *&$#head is waste in my time and patience which I'm far shorter of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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