philbert Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 About year ago I stumbled across a story that was so incredible that it was almost impossible to believe. When I asked myself the question "would the government really do that?", the answer was a clear and resounding "yes". It's a long story, but the introduction for newcomers must begin by reading the book "Gold Warriors - America's secret recovery of Yamashita's Gold". It's available here at the author's website http://www.bowstring.net, where you can also buy 1.5GB of additional material and evidence on 3 CDs. You can also buy it from Amazon and for the Kindle. [Full Disclosure: I have no association with Sterling or Peggy Seagrave, their website, nor any of the material they're written or produced. I'm simply a guy who read the story and was totally stunned how much real evidence of this conspiracy is readily available today, but basically no one knows about it.] In an effort to keep this post short I'll summarise as follows: If there was ever enough public awareness of the information revealed in this book, it would unmake the world. If all it took to destroy the world as we know it, was for the truth to see the light of day, then it is right that it should be destroyed. If this topic is of interest to people, I have a lot more information that I will post about. As I said, I've been researching this story for over a year now.
ribuck Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 In an effort to keep this post short I'll summarise as follows: If there was ever enough public awareness of the information revealed in this book, it would unmake the world. If all it took to destroy the world as we know it, was for the truth to see the light of day, then it is right that it should be destroyed. Y'know, Philbert, that's not actually a summary. That's just a "trust me please" plea. Here's a great summary of the book itself:http://www.bowstring.net/text/review_gw_cj.pdf That summary is from 2003, published in the London Review of Books. It's such a good summary that it allows people to inform themselves without all the hype contained in the book.
philbert Posted October 15, 2014 Author Posted October 15, 2014 That's just a "trust me please" plea. I'm not asking you to trust me. I'm asking you to read the book. 1
dsayers Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 Without providing any frame of reference or reason, hence the interpretation of a plea to trust you. I've never even heard of Yamashita's Gold. I don't need to know a thing about such minutia to know that: 1) governments are corrupt because they are predicated on immoral behaviors 2) corporations are fictitious entities created by government force 3) banks have no reason to exist in the absence of a State forcefully manipulating currency If the book doesn't make these points, then it would be little more of a focus on the symptoms. A distraction. If the book does make these points, well I just summed it up in three sentences. It is unclear as to what the purpose of this thread or that book is.
philbert Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 I'm not talking about philosophy, I'm talking about history. And I mean detailed history with names and dates and places and evidence - not "theory", actual conspiracy. There is a reason why you've never heard of Yamashita's gold. The few who have heard about about it mostly believe it to be in company with the legend of El Dorado. Most of what we do know about Japanese war gold originates from this book. Check out the Wikipedia entry and it specifically summarises Gold Warriors, as well as mentions important facts like the Roxas Buddha lawsuit (the largest civil lawsuit ever in history with over $40 billion awarded - he also died under mysterious circumstances during the trial, surprise, surprise). That only one of many, many lawsuits that are still going on today and are being endlessly stalled because the claimants are old now and getting close to the ends of their lives. The truth is that the 170,000 or so tons of gold supposedly "ever mined throughout human history" is complete BS. That tonnage is only the amount officially traded "white gold". The amount of secretly traded "black gold" is vastly more than this (impossible to tell how much, but at least an order of magnitude is a conservative guess based on the evidence in the book). That black gold is kept secret by nation states, banks and the privileged few super-elites of the inner circle who have access to these accounts and mostly reside in the global mega banks like UBS, Citibank, HSBC, etc. All the gold aficionados never seem to question these numbers (The Jim Rickards, Mike Maloney, Ed Steer, Peter Schiffs of the world). However most of those guys are trying to sell you gold so it's not in their interest to say "oh there's actually far more supply than what you think". This is another one of the reasons why this history is still hidden is because the people who should actually know better don't want to reveal it because they make a profit from selling the lie. My hope's is that someone who is truly independent (if there is such a thing) will actually do something to raise the awareness on this topic. Molyneux! I'm looking at you buddy! You're a historian buff and I'm a gold subscriber goddamnit! The least you can do for me is a damn book review! Not to ruin the ending of the book, but here is a quote from the ending of the book: Seen as a giant spiders web, the involvement of a great many organisation and individuals becomes apparent. Of one thing we can be sure: Since the Federal Reserve system was established in 1913, privatising the money supply and making gold vanish, it has served "The Illuminati" and their servants in "the Octopus" far better than it has served the majority of American citizens. Interlocking directorships and personal networks reveal an astonishing variety of racketeering between the moneymen, the spooks, the druglords and the underworld. National Security hides little from America's enemies. But it hides a great deal from the US citizens. The fact that the US Government has been able to pull in all this gold, both Japanese and Nazi war loot gold from a large number of endangered banks and desperate individuals, and then reneg on redeeming their holdings, has enabled the US to acquire companies and properties throughout the world that represent the American financial global empire by massive fraud. One is tempted to speculate that these manoeuvres were part of what put the Clinton Administration in the black. US imperial policy pretends to occupy a theological and moral high ground compared to Old Europe and Old Asia, but it is a farce. It was all summed up brilliantly by Henry Ford: "It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system for, it they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
dsayers Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Molyneux! I'm looking at you buddy! You're a historian buff and I'm a gold subscriber goddamnit! The least you can do for me is a damn book review! He already has. By that, I mean he already has done things for you. Presumably, that's WHY you became a gold member. Also, he's already provided you with what you're asking for. I believe his metaphor of choice is pointing out a parking ticket of a mass murderer. I'd rather spend my time helping people to understand that taxation is theft than to teach them about some isolated theft that may or may not have occurred and any related cover up attempts to alter historical records. Legislation are subjective commands backed by threats of violence and there's tons of them attempting to govern nearly our every thought and action. What's so important about a little missing gold? And if it is so important, why be cryptic about it?
powder Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 I understand your position philbert, I spent many and hour reading and learning about the hidden adendas of the ruling elite. the Yamashita gold story is a compelling one for sure. the assumption that if people only knew the truth they it would bring down the oligarchs evil house of cards is just not the case. People knew that communism in Russia was responsible for millions of deaths, they received it with open arms in china and millions more were slaughtered. everyone knew the war in iraq was a lie, how did that help stop the carnage? there are countless examples of history repeating itself after the truth has been revealed. people need principles, not information and facts. give a person, or group, the authority and legal right to steal, murder, and create/control a nation's money and all manner of evil will flow from that delusion. like dsayers says, revealing the truth behind the gold cover up, like all the other conspiracies, is like a giving a parking ticket to a mass murderer. 1
philbert Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 I'd rather spend my time helping people to understand that taxation is theft than to teach them about some isolated theft that may or may not have occurred and any related cover up attempts to alter historical records. Legislation are subjective commands backed by threats of violence and there's tons of them attempting to govern nearly our every thought and action. I've had plenty of those conversations. Demonstrate clear logical reasoning to someone and they reply with things like, "oh, that's just your opinion" or "but that's not what I believe". If you try to pursue it they just get annoyed or bored. What do they care? What relevance does it have to their lives? In some ways I understand them. They'll say, "I've paid taxes since I was 16, so did my parents. This is what I grew up to expect. I'm happy with this. Why are you trying to upset the apple cart?" And I'll say, "You're being robbed before your very eyes. People are being murdered! Men, women, children all slaughtered because these motherfuckers want to put money in their pockets". And they'll reply "Yeah but it's all those people over there, who I don't know", or "yeah but people die all the time." People just want to live their own lives and not have to worry about this stuff. I don't blame them. That's all I really want too. What's so important about a little missing gold? And if it is so important, why be cryptic about it? Am I being cryptic? Ok the first post was kinda cryptic, but the subsequent posts were not. I'm just amazed at how well hidden in plain sight this is when there is so much goddamned hard evidence, and no one fucking knows about it. Geezus! I am really not into conspiracy "theories". I want to see good old fashioned, means, motive and opportunity proof. There are so many real conspiracies that we really don't need to worry about theories. But they've had plenty of experience with propaganda and disinformation. people need principles, not information and facts. give a person, or group, the authority and legal right to steal, murder, and create/control a nation's money and all manner of evil will flow from that delusion. like dsayers says, revealing the truth behind the gold cover up, like all the other conspiracies, is like a giving a parking ticket to a mass murderer. You're making me despair at the futility of the though that anything will ever change. That's actually how I became a gold subscriber - I saw a video of Molyneux with Adam Kokesh where he showed a moment of despair that we all encounter in this society when trying to hold onto our principles against such a force of corruption and mass ignorance. I thought "this is a guy who needs a perk today." Bang. Gold subscriber. But you can't make an illogical person logical. So I changed tact. How about some history lessons instead? That sounded like a good approach and I thought it might somehow resound in this community, but it feels like the same cold hard slog just with a different crowd. I learned about this book the hard way from stumbling across some crazy conspiracy theory stuff and had to spend a year working backwards to something that wasn't on a tin-foil-hat-wearing conspiracy blog. I only kept going because when I applied the "mean, motive, opportunity" litmus test, it passed. And the bloody amazing thing is, that blog, which I'm embarrassed to even link right now, so I won't, was right on the money and up to date with things that are going on right now, today, this moment, as I write this. These people aren't debating philosophy and libertarian ideals with friends and strangers in cafes and pubs. These guys are putting their lives on the line to bring down the whole motherfucking establishment! Here is just a little tidbit. It wouldn't surprise me if you don't remember this story from 2009 when 2 Japanese men were caught on the border of Italy and Switzerland with $134.5 Billion of US Treasure bonds. And then there was a bit of a followup. I'm no fan of Glenn Beck at all but anyways, here is the point, straight from Gold Warriors, written in 2003. Here was a fraud that had been used many time by the banks all over the world. When a gold certificate was issued in exchange for bullion place on deposit, embedded codes were used including misspelled words to "assure" that the owner's certificate matched the bank records exactly. These misspellings were later easily cited as "evidence" of fraud. In Japan, Prime Minister Tanaka had gone one step further in designing his notorious "57s" to look completely different from the normal Japanese government bonds. If he wanted to redeem one for an ally, he could. If he didn't he could declare is a counterfeit, and point out that it didn't even look like a government bond. The reagan Administration's answer was similar. A large number of Few bonds and gold certificates were printed at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, on the wrong type of paper, with a comic variety of deliberate errors. Many were engraved with the wrong faces, the wrong mottos, the wrong designs, the wrong signatures. Some were even engraved and printed in traditional Chinese characters. This would be a hilarious disinformation campaign, flooding Asia with blatant forgeries, to make the whole idea ridiculous. It would cut the legs off anyone trying to redeem legitimate gold certificates or legitimate Fed bonds. They could be laughed out of court. Is that "proof"? Well no, but it's certainly starting to sound believable isn't it? But this is no isolated incident. There are dozens of stories like this. For sure there are some actual fakes stories around so you head straight into a quagmire. But the closer you come to the truth, the more lies you will encounter. That's exactly why "conspiracy theorists" get demonised and lambasted. It's actually pretty easy to throw people off the trail, because the truth is actually so incredible, it doesn't feel like much of a leap to start believing in alien lizard men. The Sterling's also accumulated an additional 1.5GB worth of data including some photos of these "genuine forgeries". I still need to ask permission whether it's ok to reproduce anything that's on those CDs. But that aside I hope I'm convincing someone out there that this book is worth reading. Even if you think it's all fiction, it's way better than any John Grisham or Dan Brown.
powder Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 I do agree that it is good reading and an incredible eye opener. Lately I have been reading about how the Venetian oligarchs started the protestant reformation and controlled both sides of the war to further their hegemony agenda. controlled opposition, brilliant plan, cost the lives of millions. there are lots of them out there if you like learning about this stuff. I have got lots of blank stares when I would introduce people to some remarkable facts about events in history that go against the mainstream narrative. I find it more effective to bring it down to the personal level of everyday life and relationships, where people can really relate - like the 'against me' kind of stuff. What test did the 'mean, motive, opportunity' formula pass? how are all these people who are convinced of the truth and implications of a story like this going to go about "bringing down the whole motherfucking establishment?" Put them on trial perhaps in the oligarchs own court system? Shoot them all and make an example of them so that other psychopaths will think twice before trying some evil stunt like that again? You cannot fight the monster, you can only starve it to death. You cannot fight evil, you can only turn away from it.
philbert Posted October 19, 2014 Author Posted October 19, 2014 The crime is simply stated as follows: As the Japanese army advanced through Asia during WWII, they specifically sought out and stole millions of tons of precious metals and gemstones from the people in the territories they invaded (exactly the same as the Nazis). As the tide of war began to turn they buried much of this treasure in the Philippines and executed most who were involved in hiding operation (primarily POWs). The US government learned about the hidden treasure, but rather than return it to the rightful owners, they decided to keep it a secret so they could steal it to fund and fight the Cold War against the Russians. So you tell me if the US government has the means motive and opportunity to commit the crime?Except that's really only where the story begins. Even though the threat of Communism is long gone, lie upon lie must be created and maintained to the point now where the crime is so large with so many conspirators that it's starting to fall apart. The government continues to try and bury everything under "national secrecy". Since the government(s) needed banks to store and launder to the stolen gold, all the major global banks are deeply involved. Individuals at these banks, who knew were familiar with setting up the programs and funds to use the money and knew how to get access to the accounts could use them for their own personal interests, and any illegal activity on their part would similarly be covered by "national security". This is the path to riches. There is a reason why it's called "corruption", and that's because it spreads. During the period 98/99/00/01, President Clinton finally admitted that the US government had been complicit with the Swiss banks in stealing and laundering Nazi gold because of a powerful Jewish lobby (but specifically hid any information about Japanese gold). There have been dozens of law suits that one by one peeled back the layers of the onion. The Roxas Buddha was just one (albeit a major one). There are more lawsuits going on today. Leading up to 2001 there were some quite threatening lawsuits that seemed to be coming close to revealing the truth. Then 9/11 happened and suddenly the world changed and strangely enough a lot of those lawsuits were either dismissed, or simply collapsed because "evidence had been destroyed", for example due to the plane that hit the Pentagon. The book does not make any allegations to connect Yamashita's gold to 9/11, that work has been done others. But we know from things like this and this and this that there were elements in the US government and also private individuals who had advanced knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Did you know what else happened to be deep in the basement below WTC tower 1 and 2? A couple of massive gold vaults belonging to JP Morgan and the New York Fed. Well all that all sounds super interesting! Should we have another review of the means, motive and opportunity concerning 9/11? Given that the theft of the Japanese war gold by the US and other nations is pretty much incontestable with the amount of evidence we have (here is just some), if it ever seemed like it was coming close to the point that the truth was about to come out (due to lawsuits, or whatever other reason). And a lot of the people who were directly involved, and directly benefitting from that theft and grand larceny were still alive today, to what lengths do you think those super rich and powerful individuals would be prepared to go to, to keep everything a secret? My point is, aside from the philosophical and logical reasoning to explain the evils of government and hierarchical structures of control, we also have the historical proof to support this argument - if only you dare to look.
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