MysterionMuffles Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I don't think it's a moral thing or not, more like aesthetics, but what are your thoughts on rock bands charging their fans for meet and greets? ROU: ...are there not a plethora of tried and tested ways to organize free M&Gs? For instance, the first 100 in line for the show? Or in-store signing sessions where fans get their purchases signed? Ticket raffles? Social media coordinated events? Even if a band wants to charge, why not give the money to charity, instead of giving yourself a handsome bonus for simply meeting fans. Even bankers who get their colossal bonuses have worked for it (well, worked–lobbied–gambled–manipulated–cheated–stole for it, same thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsayers Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Even if a band wants to charge, why not give the money to charity, instead of giving yourself a handsome bonus for simply meeting fans. The premise here is that the consumers of a product own the time of the producers of that product, which is false. It's also self-contradictory for the author to use their own property to try and use the property of others in a way they didn't consent to. It's a big pet peeve of mine how much people focus on people instead of ideas. Celebrity worship is another way of avoiding self-knowledge while perpetuating the myth that people exist in different moral categories. Anyways, if somebody thinks that X money for Y product/service is not for them, they can abstain. If the market agrees with them, Y will have to go for a lower price or not be consumed. People can charge for whatever they want as long as nobody is forced to oblige them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CulturalHeretic Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 You cant sell albums anymore artists are having to come up with new ways of creaating value so they can continue making a living.The music industry is in shambles and new buisness models are being tested all the time. I dont see any problem with meet n greets as long as their is some perceived value to the customer. If the artist fails to do so then people will not purchase. One way to do it is to offer a a meet n greet along with a intimate acoustic session with q&A. I would pay extra for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fractional slacker Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 "A fool and his money are soon parted."Socrates did lots of meet and greets. He didn't charge for them. He poked fun at sophists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirgall Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 " A fool and his money are some party." If people are willing to wait for hours to glimpse a rock band, obviously there is value that can be traded for access. Why not? People want to hang with the rockers because some of that success might rub off onto them, or to impress EGGS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growler76 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I don't see an issue with it as long as the fans know what they are paying for and don't feel mislead. It seems similar to collector's edition DVDs that have "extras" on them. I usually don't spend money on that but some people really like that stuff, which is fine. Sounds like win-win to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fractional slacker Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 How much contempt do "celebrities" have for their fans? That can be measured. How much are they charging for a meet and greet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsayers Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 How much contempt do "celebrities" have for their fans? That can be measured. How much are they charging for a meet and greet? I don't think there is a connection between charging a fee in a voluntary trade and contempt for the other party in that trade. Could you elaborate on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagami Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I dont particularly see the problem with it. I think it's probably counter productive though but what do I know about making fans fall in love with your bans. If Steph had a pay model for the business of FDR I am certain I would pay for the shows but I dont think I would pay for the meet and greet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpahmad Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I don't think there is a connection between charging a fee in a voluntary trade and contempt for the other party in that trade. Could you elaborate on that? There is nothing wrong with it. There may not even be a connection. It's just so....ughh..."anti-rock n' roll." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueechoFeecho Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Things change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fractional slacker Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I don't think there is a connection between charging a fee in a voluntary trade and contempt for the other party in that trade. Could you elaborate on that? Contempt might be too strong of a word. I can't think of a lesser/better word to describe pretending to be in a social situation while in reality acting for an economic incentive, if that makes any sense. Perhaps this is a tangent, but I will throw it out there. In this voluntary trade, precisely what is being sold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsayers Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 In this voluntary trade, precisely what is being sold? I think so. Is there any reason to suspect that coercion is present? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysterionMuffles Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Contempt might be too strong of a word. I can't think of a lesser/better word to describe pretending to be in a social situation while in reality acting for an economic incentive, if that makes any sense. Perhaps this is a tangent, but I will throw it out there. In this voluntary trade, precisely what is being sold? nothing but time to talk to people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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