David Cameron wants to ban encrypted messaging services

[Alan C.]

British prime minister says he'd ban encrypted messaging services if elected to power again
 

UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said that if elected again, he would push for a ban on encrypted communications services, like Snapchat, WhatsApp, and more, whose messages cannot be accessed by the country's intelligence and security agencies, even if they have a valid warrant.

The proposed reforms are part of a new legislation, which if enacted, would make it mandatory for telecom companies and Internet service providers to store more data related to people's online activities.

“Are we going to allow a means of communications which it simply isn’t possible to read?” said Cameron, who has begun campaigning ahead of a national election in Britain in May. “My answer to that question is: ‘No, we must not.’”

 

[Stiofan]

I heard his speech and to me it sounded like he want's to ban Tor and services like them.

[st434u]

Wow this guy is beyond evil.

 

But I personally don't believe that those services that he named really don't store the data anyway.

[AynRand]

Just another way for Cameron to increase his dominance over his loyal subjects.

[shirgall]

These politicians never say something in public without gauging what the reaction to it will be and what their reaction to the reaction will be. The trick is to predict the chain of events before getting swept up into them. If this is an opening salvo to a negotiation then the tactic is likely to be framing the debate to be in a particular "window" of discussion. Sure, some people are reacting by saying "you're an idiot go away" but the other side of the aisle will likely say, "what if we just ensure there's a mechanism to comply with legal searches by those who sell messaging services commercially?"

 

That is where the battle will be fought. Watch for it. These guys learned from SOPA (and a million other things) about how to be sneaky about revealing the underlying concession they really wanted all along.

[Guest nickxenol]

Well, that's just amazing. Who doesn't want a little bit more domestic surveillance? 

[A4E]

He has also said that people like me are nonviolent extremists and that ISIL was created by people like me.

 

That is people who have spent alot of time researching events and who know about the twin tower demolition inside job and 7/7 bombing drill, which is somewhat similar to the boston marathon smoke bombings and the sandy hook charade.

 

Link to video

 

Quote of David Cameron from above video:

"The root cause of this terrorist threat is a poisonous ideology of Islamist extremism.

This is nothing to do with Islam, which is a peaceful region that inspires countless acts of generosity every day.

Islamist extremism believes in using the most brutal forms of terrorism to force people to accept a warped world view and to live in a quasi mediaeval state.

 

To defeat Isil - and organisations like it - we must defeat this ideology in all its forms.

As evidence emerges about the backgrounds of those convicted of terrorist offences, it is clear that many of them were initially influenced by preachers who claim not to encourage violence, but whose world view can be used as a justification for it.

The peddling of lies: that 9/11 was a Jewish plot and the 7/7 London attacks were staged.

The idea that Muslims are persecuted all over the world as a deliberate act of Western policy.

The concept of an inevitable clash of civilisations.

 

We must be clear: to defeat the ideology of extremism we need to deal with all forms of extremism - not just violent extremism.

For governments, there are some obvious ways we can do this.

We must ban preachers of hate from coming to our countries.

We must proscribe organisations that incite terrorism against people at home and abroad.

We must work together to take down illegal online material like the recent videos of Isil murdering hostages.

And we must stop so called non-violent extremists from inciting hatred and intolerance in our schools, universities and prisons.

 

Of course some will argue that this is not compatible with free speech and intellectual inquiry.

But I say: would we sit back and allow right-wing extremists, Nazis or Klu Klux Klansmen to recruit on our university campuses?

So we shouldn't stand by and just allow any form of non-violent extremism."

[PatrickC]

Yes, it's all the recent terrorism that has no doubt encouraged his thinking. The intelligence agencies have no doubt had their eye on encryption for a while now. This was probably their moment to suggest it to him at one of their recent COBRA sessions.

 

But like Shirgall suggests, they'll try to appear as though they will water it down, after 'so called' debate. These guy are entirely predictable.

 

It's interesting to note mind. I wonder that if it wasn't for Snowden blowing the lid on all the intelligence surveillance, whether Cameron would have been so brave as to suggest this sort of thing now. Difficult to tell how a pre Snowden world would have reacted of course.

[WorBlux]

British prime minister says he'd ban encrypted messaging services if elected to power again

 

He's an idiot, knave, or fool. Any backdoor or LEO intercept ability can also potentially be exploited by other sorts of criminals as well. Strong encryption and user control of devices is vital to a prosperous and free society.

[MMX2010]

For my own amusement, I googled "David Cameron" and "je suis Charlie". 

 

The first google link was entitled, "David Cameron defends Charlie Hebdo's right to publish new prophet Mohammed cartoon". 

 

So in less than 24 hours, he first yelled "Free Speech!", and then yelled, "No free speech!  It's threatening!" 

[shirgall]

[PatrickC]

 

Great video, but even better the podcast it links too at the end. Very entertaining and funny too. Thanks

[Alan C.]

UK to ban encrypted messenger services to combat the specter of ISIS

 

British Prime Minister David Cameron hopes to have access to all means of electronic communication by anyone in the country and ban the use of encrypted apps such as Facebook Messenger, Snapchat and iMessage unless they agree to provide backdoors.

It’s called the Investigatory Powers Bill (and more accurately nicknamed the “Snooper’s Charter”). According to records the bill also requires ISPs to keep records online browsing, social media activity, email and voice messages and SMS texts for one year.

[A4E]

It makes sense that he would link extremism to people like me, since we are actively trying to counter all the propaganda and lies he clings to in order to shatter all forms of powers of the people.

 

Most likely he works for people who want to create totalitarianism, instead of letting a free society take over.

 

He attended the annual bilderberg private meeting in 2013.

[fractional slacker]

Recently Dan Carlin did a podcast on this topic.
Common Sense with Dan Carlin, show #294 Back Doors to Glass Houses.

[Alan C.]

Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws
 

Internet and social media companies will be banned from putting customer communications beyond their own reach under new laws to be unveiled on Wednesday.

Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked to...

Measures in the Investigatory Powers Bill will place in law a requirement on tech firms and service providers to be able to provide unencrypted communications to the police or spy agencies if requested through a warrant.

The move follows concerns that a growing number of encryption services are now completely inaccessible apart from to the users themselves.

It came as David Cameron, the Prime Minister, pleaded with the public and MPs to back his raft of new surveillance measures.

[shirgall]

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151101/23483432691/our-founding-fathers-used-encryption-so-should-you.shtml

 

 

....Seth Schoen and Jamie Williams, over at EFF, have put together a nice bit of history, showing how the US's founding fathers frequently used encryption themselves. Obviously it was a much earlier version of it, but it seems rather clear that the founding fathers would likely be big supporters of encryption if they were alive today.

 

James Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights and the country’s fourth president, was a big user of enciphered communications—and numerous examples from his correspondence demonstrate that. The text of one letter from Madison to Joseph Jones, a member of the Continental Congress from Virginia, dated May 2, 1782, was almost completely encrypted via cipher. And on May 27, 1789, Madison sent a partially encrypted letter to Thomas Jefferson describing his plan to introduce a Bill of Rights.

 

Thomas Jefferson, the principal author of the Declaration of Independence and the country’s third president, is known to be one of the most prolific users of secret communications methods. He even invented his own cipher system—the “wheel cypher” as named by Jefferson or the “Jefferson disk” as it is now commonly referred. He also presented a special cipher to Meriwether Lewis for use in the Lewis and Clark Expedition.

 

Benjamin Franklin invented ciphers used by the Continental Congress and in 1748, years before the American Revolution, published a book on encryption written by George Fisher, The American Instructor.

 

George Washington, the first president of the United States, frequently dealt with encryption and espionage issues as the commander of the Continental Army. He is known to have given his intelligence officers detailed instructions on methods for maintaining the secrecy of messages and for using decryption to uncover British spies.

 

John Adams, the second U.S. president, used a cipher provided by James Lovell—a member of the Continental Congress Committee on Foreign Affairs and an early advocate of cipher systems—for correspondence with his wife, Abigail Adams, while traveling.

 

John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, used ciphers for all diplomatic correspondence made while outside the United States. And John Jay’s brother, Sir James Jay, invited a special invisible ink, also known as sympathetic ink, and sent a supply from London to both his brother and then-General Washington.

[AccuTron]

"But I say: would we sit back and allow right-wing extremists, Nazis or Klu Klux Klansmen to recruit on our university campuses?"

 

We note the glaring omission of left wing extremists.  Oh, must be his power base.

[dsayers]

 

Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked to...

lol @ when ASKED to.