amreed8 Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I just watched Stefan's "They Control Humans With Words" and it made me wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepin Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 What do you mean by real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpahmad Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 yeah, what do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StWd Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 You may be interested in "The Medicalisation of Society" by Peter Conrad and "Madness and Civilisation" by Michel Foucault. As for mental illness being real- there are measurable, physical abnormalities in the brains of mentally ill people. Mental illnesses are considered such as they cause the people that suffer from them a deficit in their ability to function in their daily lives. I think questions like this stem from the contemporary acknowledgement of the perverse history of the DSM but distracts from the fact that some people are genuinely suffering due to "invisible illnesses". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amreed8 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 You may be interested in "The Medicalisation of Society" by Peter Conrad and "Madness and Civilisation" by Michel Foucault. As for mental illness being real- there are measurable, physical abnormalities in the brains of mentally ill people. Mental illnesses are considered such as they cause the people that suffer from them a deficit in their ability to function in their daily lives. I think questions like this stem from the contemporary acknowledgement of the perverse history of the DSM but distracts from the fact that some people are genuinely suffering due to "invisible illnesses". Thanks! For those above, I meant that some don't believe in OCD (which I have) or ADHD. Perhaps, I misunderstood Molyneux's statement in his video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirgall Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Because mental illness has a both real component and an imaginary component it's "complex" not "real". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Binary Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Shirgall, you almost made me spill my drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccuTron Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Because mental illness has a both real component and an imaginary component it's "complex" not "real". Oooh…slick. I wonder if you read the comic XKCD. xkcd: #NowPlaying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirgall Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Oooh…slick. I wonder if you read the comic XKCD. xkcd: #NowPlaying Oh yeah, you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naer Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Destabilization and imbalance mixed with certain drugs causes mental illness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. D. Stembal Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 You may be interested in "The Medicalisation of Society" by Peter Conrad and "Madness and Civilisation" by Michel Foucault. As for mental illness being real- there are measurable, physical abnormalities in the brains of mentally ill people. Mental illnesses are considered such as they cause the people that suffer from them a deficit in their ability to function in their daily lives. I think questions like this stem from the contemporary acknowledgement of the perverse history of the DSM but distracts from the fact that some people are genuinely suffering due to "invisible illnesses". There is nothing in the DSM 5 that is empirically measurable, therefore, all mental illnesses do not exist. The closest thing we have to mental illness is the long term effect of pharmaceutical or recreational drugs on the brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StWd Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 There is nothing in the DSM 5 that is empirically measurable, therefore, all mental illnesses do not exist. The closest thing we have to mental illness is the long term effect of pharmaceutical or recreational drugs on the brain. Perhaps I didn't make that post as clear as I could have. The DSM has a negative history and but it doesn't mean that many of the illnesses described in it are not real. Moreover, many of the illnesses in DSM-V are empirically founded so I have no idea what gives you that idea. This still isn't to say that I agree with much of the DSM but to say that the DSM is crap then follow up with mental illness isn't real doesn't make sense. You're simply strawmanning here it seems. Are you saying that some people don't suffer from patterns of thought/activity that cause them distress or impairment in the functioning of their normal daily lives? Have you never heard of social anxiety, irrational fears, PTSD, depression, schizophrenia etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fractional slacker Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Last night waded into the murky waters of trying to define mental illness a priori. A fool's errand perhaps, but nevertheless we gave it the college try. A few related, and just as difficult, questions we dipped into. What is the opposite of mental illness?What is consciousness?How could we separate effects from causes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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