st434u Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 http://www.myfoxny.com/story/28101741/judge-orders-gamblers-to-return-winnings-to-new-jersey-casino The Golden Nugget made a mistake and didn't shuffle the cards. Some of the clients realized this and played in a way that allowed them to win more easily. Since the Golden Nugget doesn't like to lose, they sued the clients. The judge ordered the clients to return all the money they had won. They can do this because of the "gambling regulations", that are supposed to be there to protect customers. Yeah, right.
fractional slacker Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 The one time the house doesn't have the edge and the "regulator" thugs come in and confiscate winnings. It's like middle school all over: heads I win, tails you lose. Those gamblers who were on to the mistake should have high tailed it out of there and had someone else cash in their chips.
Pepin Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 It's difficult for me to come down on this because I feel like this rule would apply in a free society. Like if a website messed up and started selling a thousand dollar product for 99 cents, I don't think the seller is necessarily bound by that mess up. Likewise, I don't think someone who bought the item for 99 cents should be charged full price, rather they should be informed about the issue and asked if they want to purchase it at full price. If someone or something messes up at a casino, I don't think they need to dole out to the people who exploit the fault. I also think that if a customer messes up, say they go all in and accidentally throw the dice off the table, that the casino should give them a second chance and not exploit their mistake. I'm not really sure how casinos work, but you get what I am saying. Of course, all that would be in the terms and services that you don't read but agree to, and not some law that is in some place you'd never find.
TheBen Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 It's difficult for me to come down on this because I feel like this rule would apply in a free society. Like if a website messed up and started selling a thousand dollar product for 99 cents, I don't think the seller is necessarily bound by that mess up. Likewise, I don't think someone who bought the item for 99 cents should be charged full price, rather they should be informed about the issue and asked if they want to purchase it at full price. If someone or something messes up at a casino, I don't think they need to dole out to the people who exploit the fault. I also think that if a customer messes up, say they go all in and accidentally throw the dice off the table, that the casino should give them a second chance and not exploit their mistake. I'm not really sure how casinos work, but you get what I am saying. Of course, all that would be in the terms and services that you don't read but agree to, and not some law that is in some place you'd never find. It is assumed that the casino's maximum edge in Blackjack is about 51% and the customers edge is about 49%. If the casino figures out that they have been giving more than 50% edge and now thinks that they can recover lost funds because of theirs error, then the customer should be given back their money every time they make an error and do not make a play that ensures them their 49% edge. You can't have it both ways. The essence of gaming is that you try to do your best to exploit your opponents mistakes and these "regulations" go against this notion. In the end I think they casinos are making a huge mistake here and will end up losing more of their customer base than will make this type of policy profitable for them. Plus, casinos are scum. Fuck them. This is why I play poker and stay far away from the no win games the casino offers.
Jer Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 It's difficult for me to come down on this because I feel like this rule would apply in a free society. Like if a website messed up and started selling a thousand dollar product for 99 cents, I don't think the seller is necessarily bound by that mess up. Likewise, I don't think someone who bought the item for 99 cents should be charged full price, rather they should be informed about the issue and asked if they want to purchase it at full price. If someone or something messes up at a casino, I don't think they need to dole out to the people who exploit the fault. I also think that if a customer messes up, say they go all in and accidentally throw the dice off the table, that the casino should give them a second chance and not exploit their mistake. I'm not really sure how casinos work, but you get what I am saying. Of course, all that would be in the terms and services that you don't read but agree to, and not some law that is in some place you'd never find. It's the responsibility of the casino to shuffle the cards. Gambling is ok if the casino has an edge but not if the player does? If everyone agrees to the terms of the game and there's no fraud you can't go back after the fact and say "Wait, I wouldn't have agreed if I had known I was a big underdog" http://youtu.be/khCM9WmI0uQ
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