From a man's view, what can women expect?

[Frosty]

There is validity to something you say here, but also, there are plenty of women, even virgins, who want the "experienced professional" in all aspects including sex. Go read 50 Shades of Grey and you will find Christian Grey, the character millions of women are swooning over, freely admits to the main character that he has paid for lots of sex. The main character seems to take it without so much as a blink. The real message being conveyed in the book is that he is incredibly experienced, and quite possibly the best at sex. There are women out there that would be repulsed, to be sure, but if a woman was not at least a little accepting of a man having sexual experience, she would probably be too much of a prude to be enjoyable anyway. 

 

I think what matters though is what is desired and preferential from the eyes of the kind of women you ideally want to be with in the long run, in this instance I was talking about the so called "unicorns" who are virtuous. Women love reading the 50 shades of grey trash are indulging in fantasy because that appeals to them emotionally, most of them will never go on to live that kind of pseudo-rape fantasy.

 

However I'll be the first to admit that I honestly don't know what would go through the mind of a unicorn woman, if I ever meet one I'll be sure to ask them about how they see sexual promiscuity in men. I suspect it wouldn't be seen in a particularly positive light, promiscuity seems to go against the grain of long term stable monogamous relationships, a lot of women who are looking to settle down and have a serious relationship seem to announce ahead of time that they're not looking for players and PUAs and alike, I read this all the time in dating profiles of women who are looking for something more serious.

[MMX2010]

I think what matters though is what is desired and preferential from the eyes of the kind of women you ideally want to be with in the long run, in this instance I was talking about the so called "unicorns" who are virtuous. Women love reading the 50 shades of grey trash are indulging in fantasy because that appeals to them emotionally, most of them will never go on to live that kind of pseudo-rape fantasy.

 

However I'll be the first to admit that I honestly don't know what would go through the mind of a unicorn woman, if I ever meet one I'll be sure to ask them about how they see sexual promiscuity in men. I suspect it wouldn't be seen in a particularly positive light, promiscuity seems to go against the grain of long term stable monogamous relationships, a lot of women who are looking to settle down and have a serious relationship seem to announce ahead of time that they're not looking for players and PUAs and alike, I read this all the time in dating profiles of women who are looking for something more serious.

 

You're not "allowed" to first confess that you've never met a woman whom you call "unicorn", and then predict exactly how she's going to think and feel.  (More accurately, you are "allowed" to do that, but it's just presumptuous.) 

 

As for the blue, how old are these women on average, and how much casual sex do you think they've had?  If they have had a ton of casual sex, would you characterize their new found desire for men who haven't had a lot of casual sex as hypocritical or enlightened? 

[Frosty]

Where did I proclaim that I'm able to predict exactly how she's going to think and feel? I said that I suspect one thing and then I gave the reason for why I suspected it. Jesus Christ you're the king of misrepresenting what people are saying.

 

I don't have hard stats just the impression I've got from looking over thousands of profiles in my area, it seems like a trait of older women, they want to settle down when they see a lot of their friends doing the same which is something I've read a lot, they're also probably looking to have children before it's too late, most of them have their children preferences set to "want children".

 

The amount of casual sex will differ greatly from woman to woman, although it'll be higher on average with age the stats on partners for women can differ greatly from what I've seen, no doubt that depends on many other factors. If they have had a lot of casual sex then it would be hypocritical of course, but thats kinda my point with regards to unicorn women, they're the kind of people who know its hypocritical to have standards for other people which they don't meet themselves, so don't ride the cock carousel and that gives them the moral grounds to look for men who are less promiscuous.

 

It is possible however that they are just enlightened though, I read a lot of profiles which state in no uncertain terms that they're done with bad boys because they know it goes no where, that's something it seems that a lot of women had to learn through experience and couldn't work out through having a bit of self knowledge and using their brain.

[MMX2010]

Where did I proclaim that I'm able to predict exactly how she's going to think and feel? I said that I suspect one thing and then I gave the reason for why I suspected it. Jesus Christ you're the king of misrepresenting what people are saying.

 

Why have a suspicion AT ALL? 

 

I get that I've an advantage here, because I've had romantic interactions with a women whom everyone would agree is a unicorn, and her opinion on promiscuity is the opposite of what you suspect.

 

But my point is, why have a suspicion AT ALL?

 

 

 

The amount of casual sex will differ greatly from woman to woman, although it'll be higher on average with age the stats on partners for women can differ greatly from what I've seen, no doubt that depends on many other factors. If they have had a lot of casual sex then it would be hypocritical of course, but thats kinda my point with regards to unicorn women, they're the kind of people who know its hypocritical to have standards for other people which they don't meet themselves, so don't ride the cock carousel and that gives them the moral grounds to look for men who are less promiscuous.

 

 

The reason why it's dangerous to have suspicions, rather than direct personal experiences, is displayed in your post. 

 

The verb "THEY KNOW" is a statement of knowledge.  It is not a suspicion. 

 

So you began with a suspicion, and have developed it into a statement of knowledge.

[Frosty]

Why have a suspicion AT ALL? 

 

I get that I've an advantage here, because I've had romantic interactions with a women whom everyone would agree is a unicorn, and her opinion on promiscuity is the opposite of what you suspect.

 

I gave my reason when I posted it.

 

You don't have an advantage, you have an anecdote, anecdotes aren't data so we don't really know anything more substantial, we also can't confirm what you're saying or if the women you're seeing really fits our definition of unicorn.

 

 

So you began with a suspicion, and have developed it into a statement of knowledge.

 

The fact that something is hypocritical isn't dependent on a persons point of view, either it is or it isn't and having double standards is a clear case of hypocrisy, I don't think that's up for debate it's just basic logic. This doesn't come from my suspicion, it comes from the definition of unicorn, which loosely means (among other things) that these women have self knowledge and know some philosophy.

[utopian]

I think what matters though is what is desired and preferential from the eyes of the kind of women you ideally want to be with in the long run, in this instance I was talking about the so called "unicorns" who are virtuous. Women love reading the 50 shades of grey trash are indulging in fantasy because that appeals to them emotionally, most of them will never go on to live that kind of pseudo-rape fantasy.

 

First, I would appreciate if you would refrain from responding to MMX. He has his inconceivably negative reputation for a reason, and he is only posting here to troll you and me.

 

Second, what do you consider a unicorn? While I certainly do seek the virtuous woman who is respectful, non-hypocritical and has many other values, I appreciate a woman who understands herself well enough to know she naturally desires a healthy sexual appetite. My life philosophy seeks fulfillment, and that certainly includes the enjoyment of sex. Too many women these days are too prude to admit to themselves or others they also seek this fulfillment. I get the feeling you believe a virtuous woman would refrain from sexual activity. 

 

 

 

However I'll be the first to admit that I honestly don't know what would go through the mind of a unicorn woman, if I ever meet one I'll be sure to ask them about how they see sexual promiscuity in men. I suspect it wouldn't be seen in a particularly positive light, promiscuity seems to go against the grain of long term stable monogamous relationships, a lot of women who are looking to settle down and have a serious relationship seem to announce ahead of time that they're not looking for players and PUAs and alike, I read this all the time in dating profiles of women who are looking for something more serious.

 

That is indeed logical, but when have women ever been renown for knowing what they want and being in a relationship with who they say they think they want? Indeed, some of my best game involves the most counter-intuitive mechanics. Often, I seek to irritate women. Many people would never think in their wildest dreams, that this would make a woman more likely to sleep with you.

 

Although I must say, I see an argument here for my demeanor possibly repelling a virtuous woman, although it is the most fulfilling. At this point in my life, I feel more comfortable not having missed out, than having chased the unicorn I might never have caught.

[Frosty]

I'm happy to continue dialogue with MMX, I don't think he's a troll he just appears as if he is one on some issues.

 

I've more or less already said what I think a Unicorn is, someone with some self knowledge, some knowledge of philosophy, primarily in the context of being aware of her own irrationality and biological urges (such as hypergamy) and keeping them in check. Someone that makes choices based on logic rather than emotion and of course someone that is virtuous, these kind of unicorns wouldn't be shit testing men which you'd have to "pass" as PUA teaches us, instead these women women would be honest and up front with what they want and what they expect, no mind games or messing about. None of that precludes sexual activity, not sure what I've said that makes you think that's what I mean by Unicorn? I certainly think if a woman knew what she wanted and that was a stable relationship and family with a respectable man then she might conclude that at least some respectable men don't want to seek LTRs and marriage with women who are overly sexually promiscuous (riding the cock carousel) and so they might show restraint in this area.

 

 

That is indeed logical, but when have women ever been renown for knowing what they want and being in a relationship with who they say they think they want?

 

They're not, which is why these women are referred to as Unicorns, they're exceptionally rare.

 

 

Often, I seek to irritate women. Many people would never think in their wildest dreams, that this would make a woman more likely to sleep with you.

 

PUAs would say that this is creating emotional tension in a situation which didn't already have it, which is like fuel for a lot of women, they live off that emotional roller-coaster.

 

But again the problem with that tactic is that when you use this you're just landing yourself women who want emotional roller-coasters, great for hooking up to sleep with women, but that's setting yourself up for a major fail when it comes to a LTR relationship where you want stability and long term viability.

 

What I'm also trying to say is that I think a Unicorn would also find that kind of behaviour obvious and manipulative and probably be put off by it, so you also run the risk of potentially driving away women which are better LTR material, and if they really are that rare then that's not a good strategy.

 

But then PUA seems to be aimed at getting laid and not at starting a LTR so I guess it's just a case of using the right tool for the job.

 

Honestly the whole thing kinda disgusts me at this point, It makes me want to have absolutely nothing to do with women, the more I discuss these ideas and read about PUA and various other red pill theory the faster my respect for women just drains away. Yeah I can see that the strategy of getting some tail is better than risking not getting any by chasing the ever elusive unicorn, that seems like a fine conclusion to me, I just don't feel like lowering myself to that, I can't help but feel that at some point men just threw standards out the window. I guess I'm just lucky in that I generally feel content outside of an intimate relationship so just doing away with the whole lot is a viable choice for me.

[utopian]

Le sigh, very well. I would think his ungodly reputation would be a good indicator of his poor behavior. I cannot even pos or neg rep myself. But, if you absolutely have to learn the hard way.

 

 

 

Now, I can certainly see the case for the idea that games scare away the good women. What I cant get onboard with, is this idea of waiting around for the unicorn. Have you heard of the case of the jogger who was killed by a plane? If not, allow me to TLDR for you;

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35911154/ns/us_news-life/#.VcezSflViko

 

 

Once upon a time, a jogger was running on the road with his headphones in. Above him was a personal plane who was coming in on the road for an emergency landing. With his headphones in, there was no way the man could have been warned about the impending danger. The plane crushed him from behind, and the jogger never knew what hit him.

 

 

And what of you, frosty? Right now, a jumbo jet could crash land into your room and kill you. There could be many reasons why you could die right now. This could be the last sentence you could ever read, and you might not even know what hit you. And if you were lucky enough for there to be an afterlife in which you could reflect on your life, how would you feel, knowing you had not lived your life to the fullest? Knowing that you wasted so much time searching for the unicorn, and never found it? That the most you ever realized was some self imposed allusions of morality?

 

 

 

I have been with women so beautiful frosty, I cant believe I was actually with them. I have been with quite a few. I have these memories, these experiences with them that I will cherish to my grave. And if I were to die right now, and somehow look back on my life, I would certainly have some regrets, but certainly moreso would I be satisfied knowing the extents to which I lived. 

 

 

And what if you did find your unicorn frosty? What if you did find your perfect woman? If you found her, and she was yours, would there be anything you would not do for her? What crime, would you not commit? What man, would you not kill? What morality would you not give up, if but to be with the woman of your dreams? For the woman of my dreams, I can't think of anything I would not do. Thankfully, I still have plenty of time in life to figure out how to get to her. 

[Frosty]

I've had extended conversations with MMX across this board, please don't try and pretend that you know better, I'm aware of his reputation but I find debate with him generally pretty useful as he makes me question my position on things, I know that a lot of the FDR community aren't capable of dealing with him without neg repping him into oblivion

 

There's no reason to believe there's anything like an afterlife, when I die my brain will be dead and I won't have the ability to contemplate anything.

 

I'm not wasting time searching for the unicorn, I'm a MGTOW and reject most social norms regarding intimate relationships, I don't waste my time with essentially pointless endeavours, the game is rigged and I don't play rigged games. Don't make the mistake of assuming you're the only person that knows what it's like to be with beautiful women, or that others will find the same value in that as you do.

[utopian]

There may be no such thing as an afterlife. Regardless, you can still reflect upon your life before you die. 

 

“It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.”

-Terry Pratchett

 

 

 

You make my heart hurt frosty. By choosing to not play the game, you are letting the statists win. Sure, the game is rigged, and corporate media and other agendas have ruined lots of the women out there. But what you are doing, is choosing to deny yourself an experience in the face of the rigged game. You think the statist slave masters will ever truly let you go your own way? Just give you the keys to your shackles to go about your business? The keys are a lot more complicated than that, and the prison is a prison of your own mind. Steph speaks to such a concept in his video about the story of your enslavement;

 

 

"We can only be kept in the cages we refuse to see."

 

In the cages we REFUSE to SEE. Can you see the statist trap of mgtow? Can you see that the state is driving us, like cattle, into isolating ourselves from each other? Whether that be isolation from the other gender or anything else. I can understand wanting to not play the game and go your own way. I would love to be able to do such a thing. I would choose not to play if I could. But if I thought I could, I would be lying to myself, because even that game is rigged.

[Frosty]

I don't see it as denying myself an experience, I see as trading that experience for peace of mind, financial and legal security among other things. It's easy to look at just what you lose and not at what you gain, when I think about these things I try and balance the two.

 

I understand where you're coming from, we just value these things differently and so choose different ways to approach it.