JohnN Posted April 2, 2015 Posted April 2, 2015 Hello all,If you are of a mindset like me, then you have spent time not only fantasizing about an anarchotopia but about a practical, "start-up model", stateless community as well. While much of my thoughts on this topic, may be wishful thinking, I have no doubt that a community of voluntaryist people could exist. Consider these questions a form of market research. 1) Is anyone in the process of making this happen?2) How, where, why, and with whom would you like to see this happen?3) What "sacrifices" to your lifestyle are you willing to accept in order to create a new community?4) How could I gain a better understanding of where a market for an anarchommunity exists?5) Any other thoughts?
Jeff_NH Posted April 2, 2015 Posted April 2, 2015 While devoting a little bit of braintime to this sort of thing is not harmful and can be fun, there are a many more productive things to do with your time. Start a garden, start a business, learn a new skill, tell one more person about peaceful parenting. It seems unlikely that anarchotopia will exist in our lifetime or if it exists , that it could persist in our lifetime. In the meantime, there is the Free State Project. Yes there are a wide mix of people who are participants varying from minarchists to anarchists. Yes it gets a little cold for 4 months of the year but I not only believe it is the best chance for Liberty in our Lifetime - I believe it has already resulted in a substantial improvement in the lives of those who have made the move.
JohnN Posted April 2, 2015 Author Posted April 2, 2015 Jeff,Thanks for your response. I moved to NH 8 months ago, I did not sign the FSP "intent to move". I already moved out of NH to VT. This is because of an investment property, not due to anything political. Although, I did not find what I was looking for in NH. Not yet anyways, which is why I am striking up this convo.Are you implying when you say, "there are many more productive things to do", that trying to make such a community a reality is not productive? Or do you assume that I am not being productive in other ways as well? I did not receive your comments as productive. John
Jeff_NH Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 Jeff, Thanks for your response. I moved to NH 8 months ago, I did not sign the FSP "intent to move". I already moved out of NH to VT. This is because of an investment property, not due to anything political. Although, I did not find what I was looking for in NH. Not yet anyways, which is why I am striking up this convo. Are you implying when you say, "there are many more productive things to do", that trying to make such a community a reality is not productive? Or do you assume that I am not being productive in other ways as well? I did not receive your comments as productive. John Fair response. And yes let me be clear, I am primarily saying that 'thinking' about making such a community is not productive. It's not that thinking is a bad thing - my point was that when thinking about something is continued to the exclusion of 'doing' that it is not productive. Most of us fall prey to this sort of thing from time to time and certainly it is not in and of itself harmful but it is not the same as 'just doing it'. At some point in a day, I assume Mark Zuckerberg thought - hey I think I can make a better online community than myspace - and then he went off and did it. The pondering stopped and the progress began. So the first point is really just a warning that I would even give myself with things like this - if you want something to happen - start doing. There is and was a second intention in my response which did also specifically call into question the 'in our lifetime' viability of the concept that I just encouraged you to 'do' instead of thinking about. I don't expect that even if you try that anything productive will come out of it and so I offered an alternative that I thought already is. This is a much much less useful input on my part. The world is full of people who had success at something that others told them would not work (it is also probably full of the less visible cases where the person failed). The common factor in those cases (I assert without evidence) is that the person with the idea just started doing it.
JohnN Posted April 3, 2015 Author Posted April 3, 2015 Jeff,Thanks again. The question becomes, what does "doing it" look like? To me, doing what I think is right, is about earning enough capital to buy land, building a home, and become as self sufficient as possible (permaculture). Once I can live with or without whomever I choose, than I can selectively add, cautiously, back into my life, those whose values I support. In my current state of living I am helpless to look at the thousands of people I rely on for my survival and try to take any universal stance that is not hypocritical, or a double standard.I have already have committed my future to this goal. Instead of the typical political approach of attempting to change all of societies people to my image, I am instead opting to change myself. My post here, is an attempt to discover possible segues off of this main goal which may be viable. Mainly, the feasibility of a community. But communities need people. I am trying to discover what the people want.Where are these people? Are they here on the forum......?
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