Donnadogsoth Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 Men’s rights group barred from Toronto’s Pride Parade http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/national/men%E2%80%99s-rights-group-barred-from-toronto%E2%80%99s-pride-parade/ar-AAbRd0C?ocid=mailsignout The alphabet soup is expanding, viz., "“I must give the complaints of members of the LGBTTIQQ2SA community precedence when they indicate the participation of CAFE could directly undermine the participation of queer, lesbian and trans women in the Pride Parade,” said Bent." Let me see if I can guess the abbreviations: Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Two-Spirited Intersex Queer Questioning 2-Spirited (again?) Asexual What's next? Why not Polyamory, Slut, One-Night-Stand, Incest, and Sado-Masochist?
Eternal Growth Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 All I see is a lot of groups, including CAFE, using the word "equality" as a dishonest front for promoting their own tribal interests. Of course there are going to be conflicts between competing collectivist groups, each trying to deny the individual rights and steal tax money and special privileges through the state from the others. Ayn Rand said it best: "What are the nature and the causes of modern tribalism? Philosophically, tribalism is the product of irrationalism and collectivism. It is a logical consequence of modern philosophy. If men accept the notion that reason is not valid, what is to guide them and how are they to live? Obviously, they will seek to join some group—any group—which claims the ability to lead them and to provide some sort of knowledge acquired by some sort of unspecified means. If men accept the notion that the individual is helpless, intellectually and morally, that he has no mind and no rights, that he is nothing, but the group is all, and his only moral significance lies in selfless service to the group—they will be pulled obediently to join a group. But which group? Well, if you believe that you have no mind and no moral value, you cannot have the confidence to make choices—so the only thing for you to do is to join an unchosen group, the group into which you were born, the group to which you were predestined to belong by the sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient power of your body chemistry." And so the men are mindlessly the "men's rights activists", the women "feminists", and the same for all of the other groups. Thinking as an individual? No, that's bad. Join the group and promote the narrow interests for what you happened to be born as. Reasonable individuals desire the universal rights of all individuals, and have no desire to join a tribe. I think that, so long as we have tribalism, it is best to have as much competition between tribes as possible. The feminists are currently dominant so more MRAs might be an improvement to counterbalance them. Middle Eastern religions used to be dominant and still are in much of the world, and so a big push from LGBT groups was/is a positive thing as it allowed/allows a greater approximation of the ideal of individual rights than if a single irrationalist tribe dominates. But ideally none of these groups would (need to) exist at all.
Donnadogsoth Posted June 21, 2015 Author Posted June 21, 2015 All I see is a lot of groups, including CAFE, using the word "equality" as a dishonest front for promoting their own tribal interests. Of course there are going to be conflicts between competing collectivist groups, each trying to deny the individual rights and steal tax money and special privileges through the state from the others. Ayn Rand said it best: "What are the nature and the causes of modern tribalism? Philosophically, tribalism is the product of irrationalism and collectivism. It is a logical consequence of modern philosophy. If men accept the notion that reason is not valid, what is to guide them and how are they to live? Obviously, they will seek to join some group—any group—which claims the ability to lead them and to provide some sort of knowledge acquired by some sort of unspecified means. If men accept the notion that the individual is helpless, intellectually and morally, that he has no mind and no rights, that he is nothing, but the group is all, and his only moral significance lies in selfless service to the group—they will be pulled obediently to join a group. But which group? Well, if you believe that you have no mind and no moral value, you cannot have the confidence to make choices—so the only thing for you to do is to join an unchosen group, the group into which you were born, the group to which you were predestined to belong by the sovereign, omnipotent, omniscient power of your body chemistry." And so the men are mindlessly the "men's rights activists", the women "feminists", and the same for all of the other groups. Thinking as an individual? No, that's bad. Join the group and promote the narrow interests for what you happened to be born as. Reasonable individuals desire the universal rights of all individuals, and have no desire to join a tribe. I think that, so long as we have tribalism, it is best to have as much competition between tribes as possible. The feminists are currently dominant so more MRAs might be an improvement to counterbalance them. Middle Eastern religions used to be dominant and still are in much of the world, and so a big push from LGBT groups was/is a positive thing as it allowed/allows a greater approximation of the ideal of individual rights than if a single irrationalist tribe dominates. But ideally none of these groups would (need to) exist at all. How is CAFE "trying to deny the individual rights and steal tax money and special privileges through the state"?
Eternal Growth Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 How is CAFE "trying to deny the individual rights and steal tax money and special privileges through the state"? They engage in political lobbying and wish for more government money to be diverted towards their interests (male shelters, male healthcare), as well as for laws which violate freedom of association in favour of their group e.g.: http://equalitycanada.com/employment-discrimination-against-men-join-us-feb-5th-7pm-for-the-next-u-of-t-event/ Don't get me wrong - they are doing good work counterbalancing some of the ways in which feminist groups have shifted laws to favour women, leading to an overall greater approximation of equality under the law (the ideal of individual rights). But they're part of the same poison who only look more libertarian-friendly because 1. they are currently in the weaker position hence less able to put through laws favouring their tribe and 2. most libertarians are men, and people generally notice fewer privileges when it is they who are benefiting from them.
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