aaaaa11 Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 I'm very happy that gay couples are now free to the same tax benefits and pieces of paper as any hetero couple. It truly is great to see such a reduction in government control. But the underlying problems have not been addressed, or even acknowledged. The government just oppressed a large demographic of people for decades. It’s great that they are no longer doing that, but the very fact that they were given the privilege to do so is deeply concerning. I wish this had been a wake up call. Like other government initiatives, the underlying problems have not been solved. The price of healthcare has not been lowered. People have not been educated about the virtues of donating money to people who need help paying for healthcare. Rather, money has been taken with force from one party and given to another. It’s kind of like drinking in order to reduce anxiety. Yes, the anxiety goes away temporarily, but the cause of the anxiety has not been solved so, and the alcohol is not permanent, so it will keep coming back, and, in the case of healthcare, now we're even more dependent on government. Again, it’s great that gays are now free to marry, but the fact that they weren’t always should be concerning.
kerou Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 Did you mean to post something? I can give my thoughts either way. When I heard that the Supreme Court passed this, I felt odd and on an emotional level, uneasy. Then I realized I only felt like this after seeing everyone's rabbid reaction. I found out I felt awful about this whole thing because everyone I knew was having an attitude that basically boiled down to boot licking the government and thanking them for this divine dictate from the heavens telling them what they can and can't do. I thought this would be a good catalyst for people to say 'why the hell was the government even involved in matters of the heart in the first place?' Which would hopefully lead to questions on matters if the wallet . But that doesn't seem to be the case on a majority level It was illuminating to see just how entrenched people are in matters of politics. 1
shirgall Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 But the underlying problems have not been addressed, or even acknowledged. The underlying problem is that laws like that were made simply to gather power from interests. Now the people freed by this decision "owe something" to the campaigners than won the synthetic battle. A lot of lawmaking is influence-peddling, and this will be no different. The sane voices that claimed government had no place in regulating marriage are the ones that lost, no matter what the outcome.
DaVinci Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 I also wonder what else is happening in the world that is getting overlooked when stuff like this happens.
J-William Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 I also wonder what else is happening in the world that is getting overlooked when stuff like this happens. No doubt there's 10,000,000 harmful dangerous things the US government is doing that are being ignored. We will find out in a few months or years when there's a new war or the dollar collapses entirely...
Guest Gee Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 Also kind of confused, the government IS the problem.
kerou Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 Did you mean to post something? . My mistake, when I posted my response I saw nothing in the OP other than the title Must have been a bug Anyways, I think we all were somewhat hoping this would be an interesting opener to a more interesting discussion. A little too optimistic maybe?
GuzzyBone Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 No one has won anything. There is no such thing as a "tax benefit" or "government benefits" nothing of benefit or service to you would ever have to be funded with the threat of violent force.People keeping a small portion of the money that was stolen from them in the first place may seem beneficial (praise be the thief!), but your still being robbed. Gaining "benefits" that are paid for with stolen money makes the person complicit in the crime (receiving stolen goods).Getting free shit with stolen money, or having your chains loosened a bit is not Equality.I think it will be interesting to see if this decision contributes to the divorce rate and legal battles that rage amongst legally-married couples throughout the country. Testosterone and testosterone do not mix very well in long term live-in relationships and gay couples are not well known for their monogamy. An onslaught of legal animosity could very possibly ensue. Most gay men LOVE parties, and a wedding is the ultimate party. We already have a problem with straight couples making the premature decision to bind themselves financially through the State. I could see this ruling very much influencing bad decision-making and getting married for the wrong reasons.I fail to see how bringing the State into something so sacred as the bond between friends or lovers is anything but a major LOSE-LOSE. All that i see has been achieved is now gay couples everywhere can bring the violence of State into the matters of their disputes. That isn't marriage or a right, it is the ability to hold each other hostage with the violence of the court system. Gays already had the ability to get married. Marriage is a ritual and a promise, not a certificate and tax "benefits". Now they have the "gay rights" to hold each other hostage with threats and litigation. Yay gay rights!I also worry what this media circus is doing to people's minds, especially small children. It is my belief that homosexuality should not be encouraged, if not purely for the gene-death aspect, there are many other reasons I could get into. Regardless, very few of the people waving rainbow flags are actually gay, or likely haven't even bothered to ask gay people what they think. Every openly gay man I have ever been friends with has been quite vocal against gay marriage, so this issue is being turned into a parade of irrationality without stopping to examine what consequences are at stake and what "gay marriage" really is. Did you know there are gays against "gay marriage"? Out of anyone, they provide the most rational arguments against it.
AccuTron Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 I think you are preaching to the choir here, the choir agrees in general, and the choir is fatigued in general.
fractional slacker Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Now that government has granted a voluntary action/relationship status as "legal," it's tempting to become a statist again.
Tweak Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I know that there is a lot of talk about the "rights" (rights where are you!XD) in regard to the gays getting married. I don´t understand why on earth the gays work so hard with big daddy the state into making them be part of it. If I were gay I would´nt want to join a club witch expresses that it does not want to have anything to do with me. Secondly It is a damn shame to elevate the power of the state like this. I think 1MFi is wrong that this somehow shows that the government is reducing it´s control because once again it has shown us that it needs to be the one making the decisions. Besides it has been a tremendous amounts of different little brothers of the state such as NGO: s and think tanks supported with private donations AND our tax dollars, working in tandem with the state do make this happen. Far from all people in the US wished for this to happen and ignored their wishes. The state once again shows a lack of respect for the individual. Oppression of the few to make room for the state is getting old. Remember the state granted this "right" this unfortunately only shows us how little power we have. If the state disappears in my lifetime you gays can be part of my club, everyone is welcome except for statists!
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